As far as I can tell, neopronouns are entirely a basement dweller thing.
This tells more about you than about the people you interact with. A person I worked with was telling me and a trans ally he never heard someone complain about what pronouns he uses (in a meeting in which we spoke out against a transphobic suggestion he made). He was quite sure of himself and didn't want to hear what we said. Even after we did make that semi public he stood his position, which is funny since my ally did actually demand in public to be recognized with the correct terms and name.
People didn't feel save around him. In my environment trans people and plenty of others are giving you pronouns, but then again I am not outside the scene, am I?
Well you're obviously not a socialist, and you're not a liberal, so that means you're either a libertarian/conservative or some secret fourth thing, so please enlighten me, what are you?
Those are vague term to obvuscate what you are, I also believe in egalitarianism and personal liberty to the extent that it does not override egalitarianism, are you also a communist just like all of us here?
personal liberty, to the extend that it does not override
Fae is a right libertarian. This is classic “NAP but I want to sound progressive, not conservative”. The embarrassed propertarians that realise their politics are repugnant. No pronouns, no regulations like age of consent.
Practice democratic centralism, this means for hexbear shut up and read up on trans rights . The struggle session was decided and in the better times you would've been banned a while ago.
Nah, fuck it, I'm fully pro whatever these people think the slippery slope is. Therian and otherkin rule. There should be litter boxes in classrooms. If a girl tells me she's a dog, then bark bark, ya know? Literally fuck it.
why do Liberals tell on themselves so hard? They come into a thread to argue against farming sustainability and 5 posts later they sound like a british tory talking about peasant rights
It wasn't just gay bars. There was a specific effort by the government of the DDR to combat homophobia. Also, trans surgeries and hormones were fully funded by the state. You can read more about it here.
Yeah, in queer liberation zines back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were a fair amount of trans East Germans who were worried about the unification of Germany and what it would mean for their transition. I don't have the sources on hand, but they were quite sobering.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there's not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
Some people use neopronouns. Get over it. I think they're a bit weird too, but so what? If addressing something with weird pronouns affirms their gender identity, then fucking do it. Pretty much everyone I see complaining about neopronouns starts advocating for thanks genocide 5 min late. Consider that that is what you look like now
At least we agree that grammatical gender is a spook
Plenty languages don't have "sex" based differentiation of pronouns, in so far the real neopronouns are things like he, him, she, her (which even in languages that have them became pronounced only in the last few centuries in the way you use and know them).
I quote Wikipedia here and give a list of languages which do not differentiate like you want them to:
Differenzierung nach Sexus
Sprachen ohne Sexusunterscheidung
Viele Sprachen kennen (teilweise ursprünglich) beim Pronomen der 3. Person Singular keine Unterscheidung nach dem Geschlecht des Referenten:
Einige Beispiele solcher Sprachen sind:
Indonesisch/Malaiisch, Madagassisch, philippinische Sprachen, Hawaiisch, Maori, Rapanui und andere austronesische Sprachen
Chinesisch, Birmanisch und andere sinotibetische Sprachen
Thai und andere Tai-Kadai-Sprachen
Vietnamesisch, Santali und andere Mon-Khmer-Sprachen
Swahili, Yoruba und andere Niger-Kongo-Sprachen
Türkisch, Tatarisch und andere Turksprachen
Luo und andere nilosaharanische Sprachen
Ungarisch, Finnisch, Estnisch und andere uralische Sprachen
Georgisch
Armenisch
Mapudungun
Baskisch
Persisch****
Durch Einfluss europäischer Sprachen haben einige der oben genannten Sprachen ein weibliches Pronomen eingeführt.
Im Hochchinesischen beispielsweise geschieht dies durch die Verwendung eines anderen Schriftzeichens (她) für das Pronomen der weiblichen 3. Person Singular (deutsch „sie“) seit dem Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts. Die Aussprache bleibt dennoch identisch wie die des Pronomens der männlichen (ursprünglich geschlechtsneutralen) 3. Person Singular (他), sodass diese Unterscheidung in der gesprochenen Sprache nicht existiert bzw. nicht erkennbar ist. Des Weiteren wird 它 in der Volksrepublik China für Tiere und Sachen benutzt. Außerhalb der Volksrepublik China findet man 它 für Sachen, 祂 für Götter und 牠 für Tiere. Alle diese Schriftzeichen werden tā ausgesprochen. Auf Taiwan wird 妳 als weibliches Gegenstück zum allgemeinen Pronomen der 2. Person 你 verwendet. Beide Zeichen werden nǐ ausgesprochen.
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hi liberal
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lmao liberal
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Seemingly not based on your comments, fuck off out of our instance
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You lost me at
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This tells more about you than about the people you interact with. A person I worked with was telling me and a trans ally he never heard someone complain about what pronouns he uses (in a meeting in which we spoke out against a transphobic suggestion he made). He was quite sure of himself and didn't want to hear what we said. Even after we did make that semi public he stood his position, which is funny since my ally did actually demand in public to be recognized with the correct terms and name.
People didn't feel save around him. In my environment trans people and plenty of others are giving you pronouns, but then again I am not outside the scene, am I?
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tell us more, I'm sure your coworkers would love to hear about this.
I'll be going now. Actually, just one more thing, it's probably nothing - didn't you just say you don't consider yourself a liberal?
I have many liberal values but I don't identify as a liberal.
Liberalism had its place in pushing the envelope of progressivism for a while, but it's not good enough.
You are deffinitely a liberal, but you don't even know why we are calling you that.
they're definitely a fascist
Yes but the dipshit maybe actually believe they aren't
they're already banned, you're not gonna get a response from them lol
I believe in egalitarianism, and personal liberty, to the extend that it does not override egalitarianism.
Oh for fuck sakes , that's what liberalism defines itself as.
Again, you don't even understand your liberalism, nor why it blends so well with your fascistic tendencies we all know you have.
There's a simple explanation why liberals like you emit Hitler particles at such rate.
noo liberalism is when karl marx forces videogames to have age of consent in them :(
Well you're obviously not a socialist, and you're not a liberal, so that means you're either a libertarian/conservative or some secret fourth thing, so please enlighten me, what are you?
I believe in egalitarianism, and personal liberty, to the extend that it does not override egalitarianism.
Those are vague term to obvuscate what you are, I also believe in egalitarianism and personal liberty to the extent that it does not override egalitarianism, are you also a communist just like all of us here?
Fae is a right libertarian. This is classic “NAP but I want to sound progressive, not conservative”. The embarrassed propertarians that realise their politics are repugnant. No pronouns, no regulations like age of consent.
oh we know we are talking to a right wing libertarian, aka an american liberal (red party)
its just so funny to see them lose their minds at being called what they are
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Correct. Liberals have a tendency of equivocating the issue of human rights. Like you enjoy doing.
Please tell me you think the homeless are the real landlords so that we get the full triad of American Liberalism out of you.
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Yes
you're right, you're a fascist. and we have strict rules for fascists. you need to post your hog real quick.
damn, you're such a Liberal you had to respond to me twice about how much of a Liberal you totally aren't
trans rights are human rights btw
You’re one of those fucking morons from r/stupidpol aren’t you?
Practice democratic centralism, this means for hexbear shut up and read up on trans rights
. The struggle session was decided and in the better times you would've been banned a while ago.
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You are not trans, shut the fuck up rn about what trans people need to an audience of primarily trans people on an aggressively pro trans instance
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Nah, fuck it, I'm fully pro whatever these people think the slippery slope is. Therian and otherkin rule. There should be litter boxes in classrooms. If a girl tells me she's a dog, then bark bark, ya know? Literally fuck it.
real quick, before the mods ban you, post a well-lit picture of your penis. they're very strict about this, so you don't have much time.
edit: too late
oh i see you're a Liberal with a capital L
why do Liberals tell on themselves so hard? They come into a thread to argue against farming sustainability and 5 posts later they sound like a british tory talking about peasant rights
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Get your xerophthalmic ass off my board.
From what I can tell, this a malnutrition-induced condition causing dry eyes. What is this about?
FuckYourselfEndless is a bit account but ze is also a comrade
Go fuck yourself. You're literally saying that transphobia is trans people's fault. We do not tolerate that bullshit here.
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I'm sorry, what part of "Go fuck yourself" was not clear?
what kind of idiot wastes their time taking stances that aren't strong anyhow? Give it 100% or don't bother.
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Who would have guessed that the anticommunist would be a transphobe
Name one communist country that isn't homophobic and transphobic.
Cuba has the most progressive family code in the world
The DDR had state-run gay bars when West Germany was still locking up gay people under anti-homosexuality laws passed by the Nazis
Can you give me a source to read on Cuba's family code and what makes it the most progressive family code in the world?
Gay bars are a reallyy low bar for progressiveness.
Here is a summary of its contents. It was ratified by popular referendum by a wide margin, with 2/3 of all votes in favor.
And yet it was still enough to put DDR ahead of West "Let's have former Nazi judges sentence gay people under laws passed by the Nazis" Germany.
It wasn't just gay bars. There was a specific effort by the government of the DDR to combat homophobia. Also, trans surgeries and hormones were fully funded by the state. You can read more about it here.
Here are some sources on Cuba for your perusal:
Damn, I never knew all that about the DDR. Based
Yeah, in queer liberation zines back in the late 80s and early 90s, there were a fair amount of trans East Germans who were worried about the unification of Germany and what it would mean for their transition. I don't have the sources on hand, but they were quite sobering.
The lib (fascist) won't respond to this one but thank you!
Props for wanting to learn but damn you should do that first before talking shit
I can name the majority of capitalist countries that are homophobic, far outnumbering any communist ones
here's a brief history of the increase in queer rights in cuba
Name one country that isn't homophobic and transphobic.
Exactly, they're all homophobic and transphobic, but liberal counties so far have a better track record of pushing the envelope.
I would argue that Western progress in regards to LGBT rights is less related to liberal ideology, and more so a temporary byproduct of the prosperity that was gained through exploitation of the global south. We can see this progress deteriorating in real time as this prosperity is starting to subside.
Edit: Liberalism, capitalism as a whole, are fundamentally based on competition and unequal distribution of wealth. Competition means there will always have to be both winners and losers, anyone can make it, but not everyone can make it. Capitalism means that someone will go empty. And in a society comprised of many different groups of people, as soon as there's not enough for everyone, it will be the weakest groups, the minorities, who will be the first to get kicked off of the lifeboats.
What is your opinion on the massive U.S. Industry around "gay conversion" and "troubled teen" camps?
idk, considering that families disowning kids is a massive problem in terms of queer well being, it seems to me that a right to housing is a pretty important thing and the socialist states are way more consistent than liberal states on that one.
You must be fucking blind if you think thats the truth
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Some people use neopronouns. Get over it. I think they're a bit weird too, but so what? If addressing something with weird pronouns affirms their gender identity, then fucking do it. Pretty much everyone I see complaining about neopronouns starts advocating for thanks genocide 5 min late. Consider that that is what you look like now
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At least we agree that grammatical gender is a spook
Plenty languages don't have "sex" based differentiation of pronouns, in so far the real neopronouns are things like he, him, she, her (which even in languages that have them became pronounced only in the last few centuries in the way you use and know them).
I quote Wikipedia here and give a list of languages which do not differentiate like you want them to:
Differenzierung nach Sexus Sprachen ohne Sexusunterscheidung
Viele Sprachen kennen (teilweise ursprünglich) beim Pronomen der 3. Person Singular keine Unterscheidung nach dem Geschlecht des Referenten:
Einige Beispiele solcher Sprachen sind:
Durch Einfluss europäischer Sprachen haben einige der oben genannten Sprachen ein weibliches Pronomen eingeführt.
Im Hochchinesischen beispielsweise geschieht dies durch die Verwendung eines anderen Schriftzeichens (她) für das Pronomen der weiblichen 3. Person Singular (deutsch „sie“) seit dem Beginn des 20. Jahrhunderts. Die Aussprache bleibt dennoch identisch wie die des Pronomens der männlichen (ursprünglich geschlechtsneutralen) 3. Person Singular (他), sodass diese Unterscheidung in der gesprochenen Sprache nicht existiert bzw. nicht erkennbar ist. Des Weiteren wird 它 in der Volksrepublik China für Tiere und Sachen benutzt. Außerhalb der Volksrepublik China findet man 它 für Sachen, 祂 für Götter und 牠 für Tiere. Alle diese Schriftzeichen werden tā ausgesprochen. Auf Taiwan wird 妳 als weibliches Gegenstück zum allgemeinen Pronomen der 2. Person 你 verwendet. Beide Zeichen werden nǐ ausgesprochen.
I think you're responding to the wrong person, I was just quoting them to dunk on them
(Though Id never considered how "normal" pronouns could be considered neopronouns themselves, so thanks for that <3)
Oh yeah, def wanted to answer the person posting above you, but happy it had some result :)
Ableism, which tracks. Chill out a day Fae.
Do you have an issue with hexbear's pronoun tags?
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What do you think of the decision to incorporate trans women athletes into women's sports?
ah a transphobe, funny how all these people reveal the same colors whenever they pretend to care about china
Omg somebody sent a transphobic response and I missed it? I'm a true ally now somebody come give me my cookie and Lenin medal