peacefull revolution is an impossible achievement, there has never been a successfull peacefull revolution in history, because all revolutions are authoritarian by nature and authority is violent, if allende would have purged the fascist in the military his revolution would have been successfull.
I think you missed my point- You should always advocate for a peaceful revolution, even if it isn't possible, which it might not be. That doesn't mean that peaceful revolution is the thing you ultimately do, but it has to be the thing you publicly want.
We're ultimately trying to replace the violence and tyranny and of the bourgeoisie and the chaos of the market. Socialism/Communism is a force for order and construction. People should get into it with the belief that it will make their lives more prosperous and less turbulent and chaotic, and it's easier for them to do that if you're not seen as someone who wants to spread violence and death.
I think it's absolutely necessary to market socialist ideas as an enactment of violence against the wealthy and powerful in service of the working class and poor. As opposed to the status quo of violence against the working class and poor in service of the wealthy and powerful.
Anything else is just going to confuse people and not get them hyped. Everyone wants to shoot their boss in the back of the head.
Workers don't even need to read theory unless they really want to. We just need to agitate the fuck out of them by explaining a better world.
At some point that theory becomes practice and there isn't even really a need for it as people's material conditions will push them towards liberation.
Workers don’t even need to read theory unless they really want to. We just need to agitate the fuck out of them by explaining a better world.
Agitation is good for having people join us and to inspire moral, but if we really want them to be truly on our side we must assure they understand the importance of our mission.
We need them to understand theory and if they cant then we must read and understand it ourselfs to help them learn, if we keep the theory to ourselfs we risk causing splitting between the vanguard and the prolereriat and that would ensure our downfall.
also about your second point, its wrong, because it was revitionism that ended the soviet union, people like khrushchev didnt understand marxist theory and in thinking he was saving the USSR for the evils of stalin he doom it with his policies.
i know its boring and long but theory is really important not only to succeed in the revolution but also to make sure it survives
You're right and I'm totally wrong. It's very important to educate as many workers as possible and continue to educate them until every last person on earth understands.
Socialism can't be achieved in a generation, probably not even in 10 generations. It'll take hundreds of years of trial and error to root out reaction and totally destroy any traces of capitalism from the earth.
I guess I worded it poorly when I said they don't need to be educated. I really meant they don't need to be educated to be in a position to join a revolution. In the aftermath of that (initial violent) revolution, it is absolutely necessary to educate everyone though.
You should always advocate for a peaceful revolution, even if it isn’t possible, which it might not be. That doesn’t mean that peaceful revolution is the thing you ultimately do, but it has to be the thing you publicly want.
yeah, publicly is makes sence i give you that, but we should always be ready to achive our goal through violent if it means success.
now for violence i dont always mean killing people, we should be ready to intimidate political enemies and other to achieve progress when possible, whether is through stikes, protests or just appering at someone door to scare them off.
you know to destablelize the state, but be must also be ready to take arms at any moment because the capitalists will outlaw any leftish movement that gets too strong, and at that moment we must wage war against the bourgeois state
I think you missed my point- You should always advocate for a peaceful revolution, even if it isn't possible, which it might not be. That doesn't mean that peaceful revolution is the thing you ultimately do, but it has to be the thing you publicly want.
We're ultimately trying to replace the violence and tyranny and of the bourgeoisie and the chaos of the market. Socialism/Communism is a force for order and construction. People should get into it with the belief that it will make their lives more prosperous and less turbulent and chaotic, and it's easier for them to do that if you're not seen as someone who wants to spread violence and death.
It depends on who you're marketing to. If you're talking to radlibs fully agree.
If you're talking on this website, there's no need and you can go mask-off.
I think it's absolutely necessary to market socialist ideas as an enactment of violence against the wealthy and powerful in service of the working class and poor. As opposed to the status quo of violence against the working class and poor in service of the wealthy and powerful.
Anything else is just going to confuse people and not get them hyped. Everyone wants to shoot their boss in the back of the head.
we must show them the class oppresion inherent in the system so they join our cause and then make them read theory
Workers don't even need to read theory unless they really want to. We just need to agitate the fuck out of them by explaining a better world.
At some point that theory becomes practice and there isn't even really a need for it as people's material conditions will push them towards liberation.
Agitation is good for having people join us and to inspire moral, but if we really want them to be truly on our side we must assure they understand the importance of our mission.
We need them to understand theory and if they cant then we must read and understand it ourselfs to help them learn, if we keep the theory to ourselfs we risk causing splitting between the vanguard and the prolereriat and that would ensure our downfall.
also about your second point, its wrong, because it was revitionism that ended the soviet union, people like khrushchev didnt understand marxist theory and in thinking he was saving the USSR for the evils of stalin he doom it with his policies.
i know its boring and long but theory is really important not only to succeed in the revolution but also to make sure it survives
You're right and I'm totally wrong. It's very important to educate as many workers as possible and continue to educate them until every last person on earth understands.
Socialism can't be achieved in a generation, probably not even in 10 generations. It'll take hundreds of years of trial and error to root out reaction and totally destroy any traces of capitalism from the earth.
I guess I worded it poorly when I said they don't need to be educated. I really meant they don't need to be educated to be in a position to join a revolution. In the aftermath of that (initial violent) revolution, it is absolutely necessary to educate everyone though.
yeah, publicly is makes sence i give you that, but we should always be ready to achive our goal through violent if it means success.
now for violence i dont always mean killing people, we should be ready to intimidate political enemies and other to achieve progress when possible, whether is through stikes, protests or just appering at someone door to scare them off.
you know to destablelize the state, but be must also be ready to take arms at any moment because the capitalists will outlaw any leftish movement that gets too strong, and at that moment we must wage war against the bourgeois state