As a transwoman, I understand that feeling of acceptedness within the Chapo community and I can imagine the feeling of betrayal that they must be feeling. I joined about a year ago at one of the lowest and most pivotal points of my life and the community has helped me to grow as a person and to really turn my life around for the better. I'm personally trying my best to provide the same safe and protecting community for trans and non-binary people here that I saw in the subreddit that allowed me to blossom so heavily. However, a blank slate means you let go of the things that happened in the past and we all move forward on this new platform, where I have taken steps to ensure that trans people are more protected so situations like this do not arise. Spamming the Lemmy does not constitute a move forward.

Marie stated in one comment that, "I was, unfortunately, misgendered by someone on the discord (and had been multiple times by that point) and so I expressed my feelings that not enough was being done to protect trans comrades." If they looked at the trans and non-binary dedicated community, they would see several points where I have provided updates on the site-wide pronoun tags (entirely separate from community flair, I might add) that are coming down the pipeline of updates, which I strongly pushed for and had the pleasure of discussing and brainstorming with the developers to make a reality. I personally didn't think the Discord had the capability to fully prevent misgendering because it would require someone to click on another person's profile and self-investigate? So how could that be improved moving away from the Discord? On the Lemmy, pronouns will be immediately next to your name site-wide leaving no excuse for misgendering going forward.

Someone else stated that "it’s kind of depressing that lgbt spaces here are empty" and "it raises the issue of what the priority is in affirmatively making sure there is a space here in chapo for our queer comrades to have a home, vs being a home for cis comrades to affirm their own perceived tolerance." It's hard to pull people to Lemmy when there is no guarantee I can prevent things like misgendering otherwise I personally would be trying to pull all of my trans and non-binary comrades here. It's actually one of my biggest concerns and I have addressed this concern in our space. I'm hesitant to really do anything in the trans and non-binary community until I can guarantee that no one will face dysphoria on that front.

I have discussed at-length with other moderators that I (and I can't stress this enough) DO NOT want cis people on my moderator board, as our people do not need cis people dictating the manner in which we can converse with each other about our trials and tribulations. Marie stated they want "reform" and for the "mod team to not be shit"? Here I fucking am. They want mods to be "held accountable for their actions"? I will absolutely swing for the fences for our people. "Will this ever happen?" they asked. Yes.

UPDATE:

I have tried everything possible to make amends. Yesterday on the statement I made allowing for any good faith grievances to be discussed, I received countless comments telling me to “talk to the Shorks”. Getting specific names of people in the Shork server was no easy feat, but I did it. I ended up reaching out to Shorkena, one of the moderators on the Shork server that Marie was kind enough to put me in contact with, and tried to pull together a group chat to have a good faith conversation about how to move forward. I tried everything to reach some sort of agreement. They’ve been spamming demanding that their voices and grievances be heard since we opened the Lemmy and I have gaven them multiple spaces space to freely do that and openly discuss grievances and how to move forward in good faith and they shuttered.

I gave them every opportunity I could possibly think to give and they squandered it and even went as far as mocking me within their own server and digging up drunken shitpost Tweets to openly mock me about instead of discussing their actual grievances with me, which you can see in the Imgur directory below.

I remained hopeful throughout all of this that I could pull something off and end all of this, but I have concluded there is no good faith attempt here anymore.

For all of those interested, here is every interaction I’ve had with any of them involved: https://imgur.com/a/rfN6joQ

REMOVED IMGUR ALBUM SO THOSE INVOLVED WILL NOT BE DOXXED.

  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
    2·
    4 years ago

    I think this is conflating a "truth and reconciliation committee" approach with a "blank slate" approach. With a blank slate approach, feedback and suggestions don't need to be couched in previous discord discord.

    If there are concerns, they can absolutely be addressed and fixes implemented without re-litigating disputes form another platform.

      • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
        2·
        4 years ago

        Blank Slate Approach: I'm worried that the current structure is vulnerable to insert general concern and suggest corrective action to mitigate the risk of this occurring. ✅

        Importing Discord Drama: I have been harmed by user X on different platform y and want to know what actions will be taken against them here. ❎

        • cycle [none/use name]
          15·
          4 years ago

          I don't see how classifying what's occurred recently as "drama" pertinent only to the Discord platform is productive to the conversation here. The factors that lead to this "drama" are inherent to both communities.

          A "blank slate" policy in this context meant leniency towards people that had been targeted in recent banwaves on Discord, not a full dismissal of any conflict that had occurred on the platform.

          • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
            2·
            4 years ago

            The factors that brought this “drama” are inherent to both communities.

            Strong disagree. I think the structure and format of Discords is a large driver of this sort of thing, because we never encountered anything like it moderating the very large subreddit.

            If this place is going to go anywhere, there needs to be an influx of people from the subreddit who (like me) never went to any of the discords so that they can water down the two feuding communities until they are no long meaningfully distinct.

              • fuckwit [none/use name]
                6·
                4 years ago

                Agreed, discord is bad. On that note, whatever grievances people have against discord mods will fester here since the mod team is exactly the same. Just saying.

                • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  mod team is exactly the same. Just saying.

                  No that's a valid point, and I think needs to change, but apparently that's already in the works.

                • AlfredNobel [comrade/them,any]
                  1·
                  4 years ago

                  But this isn't the case there are at least three mods who are no longer mods due to actions on the discord.

            • cycle [none/use name]
              10·
              4 years ago

              The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord (irrespective of platform limitations), I don't think the comparison is apt.

              This isn't two feuding communities with "discord drama" spilling over into Lemmy. It's one community and legitimate grievances are reflected on both platforms. Simple as that.

              • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
                2·
                4 years ago

                The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord

                This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.

                It’s one community

                No it's not. I don't know like 90% of the people here. I'm from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.

                • cycle [none/use name]
                  8·
                  4 years ago

                  This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.

                  I'm discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.

                  No it’s not. I don’t know like 90% of the people here. I’m from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.

                  Where do you think the discord users came from? We're literally all from the same community. There is no "extension of the discord". Some of us stayed in the discord during the transition, but it is the same community. The grievances that occurred there are relevant to the entire community and it's rather disrespectful to the people that were harmed there to say it has no place here and is just cheap discord drama.

                  • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
                    3·
                    4 years ago

                    I’m discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.

                    The style and manner of moderation for the subreddit was to warn and then ban attempts to litigate drama from off the subreddit on the subreddit. If we're making this the new subreddit, I don't see why that should be any different here.

                    Where do you think the discord users came from?

                    I have no idea.

                    We’re literally all from the same community.

                    We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don't consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn't mean they are the same community.

                    • cycle [none/use name]
                      11·
                      4 years ago

                      warn and then ban attempts to litigate drama

                      This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.

                      We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don’t consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn’t mean they are the same community.

                      You're being pedantic at this point. The small subset of the community that had a long-term interest in the discord platform isn't of relevance here. I'm referring to the general r/CTH community, from which 10k managed to join the server in the days following the subreddit ban. Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit's active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.

                      • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
                        4·
                        4 years ago

                        This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.

                        Nope, wasn't a conflict on the subreddit.

                        Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit’s active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.

                        Only if you want to have a DiscordOnLemmy Community as opposed to the /r/CTH community.

                        • cycle [none/use name]
                          10·
                          4 years ago

                          At this point you're being intentionally obtuse. No one is suggesting that this becomes "DiscordOnLemmy", but the events that took place in the few weeks of transition are clearly relevant to the community now.

                          • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
                            4·
                            4 years ago

                            At this point you’re being intentionally obtuse.

                            This makes me think you don't understand how disagreements work.

                            but the events that took place in the few weeks of transition are clearly relevant to the community now.

                            Only if you disregard one of the few rules that the subreddit religiously enforced.

                            • cycle [none/use name]
                              11·
                              4 years ago

                              If you continually suggest that the discord server that was advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.

                              • a_blanqui_slate [none/use name, any]
                                4·
                                4 years ago

                                advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.

                                There was another discord that was advertised for over a year on the sidebar that fostered an entirely different culture, atmosphere, and yes community. Don't care about the drama from there either.

                                I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.

                                ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. You're welcome to think this but my genuine view is that unless we want this to turn into DiscordOnLemmy we need to acknowledge the distinct communities.

            • cycle [none/use name]
              12·
              4 years ago

              If users have not behaved peacefully in this very same community, albeit on a different platform, then past conflicts are ABSOLUTELY your problem as a moderator. On one hand you're saying you want people to feel safe and on the other you're stating that even if a user has previously made members of your community feel unsafe, as long as they behave peacefully from this moment on you have no problem allowing them to participate in your community.

            • MrsPacMan [none/use name]
              17·
              4 years ago

              I’m new to modding, past conflicts are not my problem.

              That really sounds like dismissing the issues of the greater trans community, because it's inconvenient for you - which isn't a good way to get all the disaffected trans folks to feel comfortable coming back here.