I think this is conflating a "truth and reconciliation committee" approach with a "blank slate" approach. With a blank slate approach, feedback and suggestions don't need to be couched in previous discord discord.
If there are concerns, they can absolutely be addressed and fixes implemented without re-litigating disputes form another platform.
Blank Slate Approach: I'm worried that the current structure is vulnerable to insert general concern and suggest corrective action to mitigate the risk of this occurring. ✅
Importing Discord Drama: I have been harmed by user X on different platform y and want to know what actions will be taken against them here. ❎
I don't see how classifying what's occurred recently as "drama" pertinent only to the Discord platform is productive to the conversation here. The factors that lead to this "drama" are inherent to both communities.
A "blank slate" policy in this context meant leniency towards people that had been targeted in recent banwaves on Discord, not a full dismissal of any conflict that had occurred on the platform.
The factors that brought this “drama” are inherent to both communities.
Strong disagree. I think the structure and format of Discords is a large driver of this sort of thing, because we never encountered anything like it moderating the very large subreddit.
If this place is going to go anywhere, there needs to be an influx of people from the subreddit who (like me) never went to any of the discords so that they can water down the two feuding communities until they are no long meaningfully distinct.
Agreed, discord is bad. On that note, whatever grievances people have against discord mods will fester here since the mod team is exactly the same. Just saying.
The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord (irrespective of platform limitations), I don't think the comparison is apt.
This isn't two feuding communities with "discord drama" spilling over into Lemmy. It's one community and legitimate grievances are reflected on both platforms. Simple as that.
The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord
This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.
It’s one community
No it's not. I don't know like 90% of the people here. I'm from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.
This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.
I'm discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.
No it’s not. I don’t know like 90% of the people here. I’m from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.
Where do you think the discord users came from? We're literally all from the same community. There is no "extension of the discord". Some of us stayed in the discord during the transition, but it is the same community. The grievances that occurred there are relevant to the entire community and it's rather disrespectful to the people that were harmed there to say it has no place here and is just cheap discord drama.
I’m discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.
The style and manner of moderation for the subreddit was to warn and then ban attempts to litigate drama from off the subreddit on the subreddit. If we're making this the new subreddit, I don't see why that should be any different here.
Where do you think the discord users came from?
I have no idea.
We’re literally all from the same community.
We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don't consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn't mean they are the same community.
This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.
We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don’t consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn’t mean they are the same community.
You're being pedantic at this point. The small subset of the community that had a long-term interest in the discord platform isn't of relevance here. I'm referring to the general r/CTH community, from which 10k managed to join the server in the days following the subreddit ban. Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit's active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.
This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.
Nope, wasn't a conflict on the subreddit.
Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit’s active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.
Only if you want to have a DiscordOnLemmy Community as opposed to the /r/CTH community.
At this point you're being intentionally obtuse. No one is suggesting that this becomes "DiscordOnLemmy", but the events that took place in the few weeks of transition are clearly relevant to the community now.
If you continually suggest that the discord server that was advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
There was another discord that was advertised for over a year on the sidebar that fostered an entirely different culture, atmosphere, and yes community. Don't care about the drama from there either.
I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯. You're welcome to think this but my genuine view is that unless we want this to turn into DiscordOnLemmy we need to acknowledge the distinct communities.
If users have not behaved peacefully in this very same community, albeit on a different platform, then past conflicts are ABSOLUTELY your problem as a moderator. On one hand you're saying you want people to feel safe and on the other you're stating that even if a user has previously made members of your community feel unsafe, as long as they behave peacefully from this moment on you have no problem allowing them to participate in your community.
I’m new to modding, past conflicts are not my problem.
That really sounds like dismissing the issues of the greater trans community, because it's inconvenient for you - which isn't a good way to get all the disaffected trans folks to feel comfortable coming back here.
Shorks are also telling me registration is closed. Which I find it hard that you wouldn't know as a mod. How exactly would they even come in this thread anyway? This whole thing is bad faith.
I think this is conflating a "truth and reconciliation committee" approach with a "blank slate" approach. With a blank slate approach, feedback and suggestions don't need to be couched in previous discord discord.
If there are concerns, they can absolutely be addressed and fixes implemented without re-litigating disputes form another platform.
what?
Blank Slate Approach: I'm worried that the current structure is vulnerable to insert general concern and suggest corrective action to mitigate the risk of this occurring. ✅
Importing Discord Drama: I have been harmed by user X on different platform y and want to know what actions will be taken against them here. ❎
I don't see how classifying what's occurred recently as "drama" pertinent only to the Discord platform is productive to the conversation here. The factors that lead to this "drama" are inherent to both communities.
A "blank slate" policy in this context meant leniency towards people that had been targeted in recent banwaves on Discord, not a full dismissal of any conflict that had occurred on the platform.
Strong disagree. I think the structure and format of Discords is a large driver of this sort of thing, because we never encountered anything like it moderating the very large subreddit.
If this place is going to go anywhere, there needs to be an influx of people from the subreddit who (like me) never went to any of the discords so that they can water down the two feuding communities until they are no long meaningfully distinct.
I cannot emphasize enough: Discord bad.
Agreed, discord is bad. On that note, whatever grievances people have against discord mods will fester here since the mod team is exactly the same. Just saying.
No that's a valid point, and I think needs to change, but apparently that's already in the works.
But this isn't the case there are at least three mods who are no longer mods due to actions on the discord.
The subreddit was moderated in a far different manner than the discord (irrespective of platform limitations), I don't think the comparison is apt.
This isn't two feuding communities with "discord drama" spilling over into Lemmy. It's one community and legitimate grievances are reflected on both platforms. Simple as that.
This is the new subreddit, it needs to be moderated like a subreddit.
No it's not. I don't know like 90% of the people here. I'm from the subreddit. Not the discord. So trying to pretend this is an extension of the discord and re-litigating grievances from there is a category error.
I'm discussing the style and manner of moderation, not anything specific to the platform.
Where do you think the discord users came from? We're literally all from the same community. There is no "extension of the discord". Some of us stayed in the discord during the transition, but it is the same community. The grievances that occurred there are relevant to the entire community and it's rather disrespectful to the people that were harmed there to say it has no place here and is just cheap discord drama.
The style and manner of moderation for the subreddit was to warn and then ban attempts to litigate drama from off the subreddit on the subreddit. If we're making this the new subreddit, I don't see why that should be any different here.
I have no idea.
We apparently have different definitions of the word community. The Discords fosters a very distinct culture and userbase compared with the subreddit, so I don't consider them unified at all. A person might belong to both communities, but that doesn't mean they are the same community.
This is part of the conflict and clearly relevant to both platforms.
You're being pedantic at this point. The small subset of the community that had a long-term interest in the discord platform isn't of relevance here. I'm referring to the general r/CTH community, from which 10k managed to join the server in the days following the subreddit ban. Seeing as this is a significant portion of the subreddit's active userbase, the conflicts that occurred there in the weeks after the ban are completely relevant here.
Nope, wasn't a conflict on the subreddit.
Only if you want to have a DiscordOnLemmy Community as opposed to the /r/CTH community.
At this point you're being intentionally obtuse. No one is suggesting that this becomes "DiscordOnLemmy", but the events that took place in the few weeks of transition are clearly relevant to the community now.
This makes me think you don't understand how disagreements work.
Only if you disregard one of the few rules that the subreddit religiously enforced.
If you continually suggest that the discord server that was advertised by the mods just before the ban and managed to capture 10k active users from the subreddit has no relevance to the subreddit now, just weeks later, then yes, I will say you are being intentionally obtuse.
There was another discord that was advertised for over a year on the sidebar that fostered an entirely different culture, atmosphere, and yes community. Don't care about the drama from there either.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯. You're welcome to think this but my genuine view is that unless we want this to turn into DiscordOnLemmy we need to acknowledge the distinct communities.
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If users have not behaved peacefully in this very same community, albeit on a different platform, then past conflicts are ABSOLUTELY your problem as a moderator. On one hand you're saying you want people to feel safe and on the other you're stating that even if a user has previously made members of your community feel unsafe, as long as they behave peacefully from this moment on you have no problem allowing them to participate in your community.
That really sounds like dismissing the issues of the greater trans community, because it's inconvenient for you - which isn't a good way to get all the disaffected trans folks to feel comfortable coming back here.
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Claiming issues effecting the trans community aren't your problem is kinda yikes.
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If it's that easily misinterpreted then write something else.
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So I can get banned and ignored? No thanks. Reach out to the shorks.
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Other people can still do that though, lol
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Shorks are also telling me registration is closed. Which I find it hard that you wouldn't know as a mod. How exactly would they even come in this thread anyway? This whole thing is bad faith.
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