Behold the most unserious take. This person is a public figure, a wannabe politician in the pirate party here that takes no firm political stances on anything.

He is apparently the greatest socialism understander.

  • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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    2 months ago

    When my old school held mock elections way back when, I think I might've voted for the pirate party... Well, either them or the greens, I don't quite remember, but if nothing else I was strongly considering voting for the pirates.

    I have in the years since come to find pirate parties considerably less endearing.

    • NoLeftLeftWhereILive [none/use name, she/her]
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      2 months ago

      Yeah pretty much same. When I was still a radlib I considered voting for them at least once, the Greens I did vote for and will always regret that in hindsight.

      I think it was the last election when I read their political program just to see if they have even one thing in it addressing the economy or challenging capitalism, they did not. Asked the guy who was running on Twitter why that is, got some wishywashy answer on how they think it is still best to just try and "regulate it better".

      It also has a very libertarian vibe as a party.

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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        2 months ago

        In short, thank God I'm no longer a teenager. It's a lot easier to say that capitalism works but just needs to be regulated better, when all the adults around you seem composed, you have most of your needs met, and you get a satisfactory amount of treats, compared to when you're actually placed in the context of needing to sell your labor power for real to have your needs met. And when that's your belief, that capitalism "works", it's a lot easier to just take party branding at face value, take a quiz or two, and quickly skim through some Wikipedia articles, and treat casting a ballot essentially like throwing ¥5 into the offering box at a Shinto shrine: bow, bow, clap, clap, "May climate change be solved and may intellectual property be abolished and probably some other stuff too."

      • Barabas [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        I remember when they started the pirate parties (2006 in Sweden) and as a weird incredibly online guy I could spot the wrong kind of weird incredibly online guy and was never on board with their stuff.

        Never voted for any party other than the left party. The greens seemed like unserious libs (vindicated there) and the succdems are just a strictly worse version of the left party in every way.

  • HarryLime [any]
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    2 months ago

    I could see myself saying something like this when defending China, but IDK if that's what this guy means

    • NoLeftLeftWhereILive [none/use name, she/her]
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      2 months ago

      I'm pretty sure it isn't. I think it's defending nordic capitalism that guys like these think is somehow very socialism, because the government did stuff decades ago. Or it's a defense of the Nordic welfare state that was and is very much modelled after a very different sort of project, the kind that is explained here: https://hexbear.net/post/2585093

  • regul [any]
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    2 months ago

    I mean everything there is true. I guess you're saying he's saying this in defense of calling the nordic model socialism, though?

  • SoyViking [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Talking about politics with the average westerner means that you have to accept that words has no meaning. People are profoundly miseducated by design and has incoherent and bizarre ideas of what things like "socialism", "capitalism" and "market economy" is.

    • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      Most western "political" discussion could be replaced with pointing and grunting "👈 Thing good, me like. 👉 Thing bad, me no like."

  • CyborgMarx [any, any]
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    2 months ago

    The funny thing is if you asked this person to "distinguish" between capitalism and "market economy" they'd describe capitalism both times

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Socialism is when a small amount of oil profits are used to give services to the people who live on the land where the oil is located.

    • PKMKII [none/use name]
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      2 months ago

      In the abstract, nothing. In defense of the Nordic Model, it doesn’t work because the Nordic Model is not a transformative/evolutionary model to socialism.

    • Sodium_nitride@lemmygrad.ml
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      2 months ago

      This person almost certainly doesn't know what (primary stage) socialism is, that is, a dictatorship of the proletariat. Maybe he knows what Communism is, but that's almost certainly because "moneyless, classless, stateless" society is a famous slogan.

      • MF_COOM [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        My question was "what's untrue about that?" not "what misunderstandings about communist theory would you guess this person has?"

          • MF_COOM [he/him]
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            2 months ago

            My question was "what's untrue about that?" not "what misunderstandings about communist theory would you guess this person has?"

  • moondog [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    Rule 1: All posts must include links to the subject matter, and no identifying information should be redacted.
    He's literally a public figure, you can share his name.

    • NoLeftLeftWhereILive [none/use name, she/her]
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      2 months ago

      This is a link to the profile: https://mastodon.green/@gimulnautti

      Did not link the original as it is visible from the server I myself am on. You can find the screenshotted post in his replies.