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  • BeamBrain [he/him]
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    4 months ago

    Map is inaccurate, Japan and South Korea are colonies in all but name

    • Rom [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      It's technically correct, since they're colonies of the US, not Europe.

    • Chapo_is_Red [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      Imo:

      Japanese state is a junior partner, unless you also want to claim Germany is colonized by the US. Parts of Japan are colonial, e.g. Okinawa which was colonized by Japan and is currently a occupied by both Japan and the US military.

      Otoh, Korea was subjected to Japanese colonialism, which in SK transitioned into a pro-west puppet government. I think this probably counts as a colonial relation still.

      • KobaCumTribute [she/her]
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        4 months ago

        Japan was basically a whole ass empire itself getting colonized, and its imperial core while still being subjugated and extracted from in a colonial way also received extra privileges and continued to be a sort of lesser core for the new American imperial holdings in Asia and the Pacific.

        Like the American economic strategy for how to exploit all of those countries was a model (which was explicitly racist, because of course it was) drawn up by an Imperial Japanese economist and the State Department internally was explicitly describing their strategy as wanting to rebuild and restore Imperial Japan as a controlled client state of the US. But then the economic model imposed on Japan itself was also one of colonial extraction as it was industrialized to produce commodities for Americans to consume and harsher working conditions were imposed on Japanese workers on the suggestion of American businessmen.

  • thethirdgracchi [he/him, they/them]
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    4 months ago

    Ireland not being coloured as colonised is sending me. I understand it's Europe but how are you going to exclude one of the prototypical examples of colonialism?? Many of the colonies on this map were modeled after the Irish experience. Also love how French Guiana, a literal actual still extant colony in South America (see the little sliver of grey in the north), is labeled as "Europe" because it's technically a metropolitan province of France (like Algeria was). And Liberia never being colonised by Europe because it was actually colonised by freed American slaves who went "back" to Africa to then immediately set up a horrifying simulacrum of American slavery by enslaving the indigenous Liberians and having actual slave labour until the 1920s. Real "oppressed merely dreams of becoming the oppressor" hours. And of course Korea was a very explicit colony of Japan for decades.

    • Redcuban1959 [any]
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      4 months ago

      Liberia was practically a dictatorship for most of its existence. Elections were not fair and fraud was ridiculous. The US controlled almost every aspect of the army and the government. Then, when the American-Liberian president William Tolbert began to make reforms, pushing away the US and initiating relations with the USSR and China, the US supported a native coup by Samuel Doe, which started massacres and repression supported by the US. Until Charlie Taylor attempted a coup in 1989 that broke the country and started an open civil war

    • ihaveibs [he/him]
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      4 months ago

      The past 500 years have been one hell of a Dark Age

  • Jelamzer@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Turkey is considered part of Europe here so shouldnt Saudi Arabia be darker shade of blue because of the Ottomans?

    • Drewfro66@lemmygrad.ml
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      4 months ago

      Depending on your definition of "Colonized or Controlled", the Ottomans never completely conquered what is today Saudi Arabia - they conquered Hejaz and parts of the Gulf province but never (as far as I am aware) Najd and other parts of the center and south.

  • Angel [any]
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    4 months ago

    I wanted to see what color my family's home country of Trinidad and Tobago would be, but it's too small for me to tell! I guess I'll never know if Europeans colonized those islands then!

    anti-cracker-aktion

  • Jelamzer@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Why is Ethiopia considered colonized but not Liberia

    Also how did Thailand Survive?

    • boonhet@lemm.ee
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      4 months ago

      Definitions differ, but I was always taught that Russia west of the Caucasus was Europe and east of it was Asia.

      Which means technically eastern Russia is still colonized by Europeans.

  • Hexboare [they/them]
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    4 months ago

    South Korea and Japan should be coloured light blue - European powers quickly signed similar treaties with Japan following the US treaties.

  • RION [she/her]
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    4 months ago

    Wasn't Finland kinda colonized? I know it shows up on maps of stolen indigenous land

    • wheresmysurplusvalue [comrade/them]
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      4 months ago

      Sápmi (region of northern Finland, Norway, Sweden, and Russia), which is the land of the Sámi peoples, was essentially force assimilated over centuries by Germanic populations encroaching from the south. I think this counts as colonization depending on your definition, especially considering that those respective countries today control most of what is historically Sámi territory. The Sámi activists I follow are all supporters of a free Palestine.

  • Redcuban1959 [any]
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    4 months ago

    Pretty sure Liberia started as US colony for freedman people. Thailaind was Influenced by Europe, France invaded them a bunch of times. Japan too was influenced by Europe and the US, they literally forced Japan to do shit for them.