"The marketplace by itself cannot resolve every problem, however much we are asked to believe this dogma of neoliberal faith," the pope wrote.
He added that free-market capitalism "reproduces itself" by resorting to the magic theories of "spillover" or "trickle" as the only solution to societal problems.
The pope said this "spillover" does not "resolve the inequality that gives rise to new forms of violence threatening the fabric of society."
The encyclical, called "Fratelli Tutti," or "Brothers All," reiterated the pope's vision for a more communal society, which extends to the use of private property.
"The Christian tradition has never recognized the right to private property as absolute or inviolable and has stressed the social purpose of all forms of private property," the pope wrote.
He also touched on racism, calling it a "virus that quickly mutates and instead of disappearing goes into hiding and lurks in waiting."
The pope also questioned why it took so long for the Catholic Church to unequivocally to condemn slavery.
Lmao no, all the deeply religious catholics in my country are like "he's not my pope" and "he'll burn in hell". I think it's likely we'll see a major schism in the catholic church if the more progressive/egalitarian faction stays in power in the future.
There was a not-so-minor schism after John 23rd said you could say mass in not-Latin. They're called sedevacantists.
Do i believe in Catholisism? No. Do i believe Catholicism as an organized religion is good? Also no. (individual Catholics are cool as long as they aren't being anti-choice or otherwise reactionary) Am i going to use this to agitate anyway? Hell yes i am
it's removed and deleted on every forum it's been posted to. reddit needs to die.
Never thought I'd be fighting capitalism side-by-side with a papist
Aye, I could do that
I was skeptical at first, but critical support for Pope Francis. He actually seems to be trying to make a difference in his position.
Whatever else can be said about Pope Francis, he seems to be from the South American catholic tradition of actually giving a fuck about the poor and humanity in general. That's why my catholic parents hate him.
liberation theology is a mixed bag. On the one hand, let's enrich the lives of the less fortunate. On the other, fuck "communism" because opium quote and women are baby machines.
yeah for example Damon Garcia seems like a cool example. I wish there was more cooperation, for example the churches have great logistic for direct action and also can help to propagate our message
He is good. I also recommend the work of Jon Sobrino, starting with “Jesus the Liberator”
And there is cooperation between churches and leftists. Not nearly as much as before but remeber The civil rights movement was Lead and organized by the black faith community. BLM got its first major support base in black churches, hell id you Look at a lot of outreach or prep test groups in most major cities there’s probably one religious figure involved in it.
the South American catholic tradition
a narrow slice of it but yes
Hence critical support. Yeah he and the church are bad in a lot of ways, but him saying stuff like this is good for us.
I was raised Catholic and I always feel a little guilty (ain't that a surprise) when I see Pope Francis saying good stuff because I feel like he's answering some of the criticisms that made me leave, but then it's like, you never know what the next pope will be like and I still don't have faith in the institution of the church, and I don't really believe in any of it anyway. Idk it's hard to express. I guess it's like seeing a shitty ex actually try to work on their flaws and be a better person, it's like, "That's great, I'm really happy for you and I'm proud of you - but just to be clear we're still never getting back together."
https://www.reddit.com/r/Catholicism/comments/j4xid4/encyclical_letter_fratelli_tutti_of_the_holy/
This thread was surprising to me.
Also, reading Catholics argue over theological shit is like listening to nerds argue about their nerd games (not disparaging nerds, here).
I counter this by stating that seeing nerds create video essays about their private minecraft server potato harvesting wars are incredibly fun and engaging even if you've never played minecraft in your life.
It takes me like 2 min to buy into the premise and I can be rooting for a side immediately for like 30 minutes. It's really quite enjoyable to hear about need drama.
So I didn't watch parts 1 or 2. I think this stands alone, but if you can't handle that then you'd want part 1 first.
https://youtu.be/09CeBwGbCeg
This reads like a based onion article and I'm still not convinced it isn't. Veerrry critical support.
Yep, very critical support from me. Francis is like a black belt in using weasel words. Well that, and the media does like to selectively cut out some context from his comments. When you get past the headlines and read what he's actually saying, sometimes it's not really all that enlightened.
That said, I seem to remember Francis was a pretty big deal in liberation theology circles before he became pope, so idk maybe what you see is what you get with him when it comes to critiques of capitalism.
Tbh I don't understand catholicism enough to care if Francis is actually cool or fake cool. And he didn't really say anything here that I don't hear from any Democrat or Labour voter. Unbridled capitalism bad, racism bad. Trickle down economics bad. Like yeah, you're a Christian, way to do the bare minimum.
When we get our news from millionaires hired by billionaires to enforce neoliberal hegemony, it's bonkers that the fucking Pope sounds left wing compared to CNNs normal slop.
Protracted people's war with Pope Francis thought when? Granted, he ain't good regarding LGBT if memory serves.
Hah, thinking about it, Christ himself wouldn't be so incrementalist. *cracks whip*
I might be wrong does this pope have lots of hardcore Catholics that don't like him compared to the last pope?
I wonder how my CCD teacher feels about Francis, I finished just before he became Pope.
