I really hoped he would get BTFO'd after having that nazi apologist on his channel. The guest cited some David Irving bullshit about Dresden, claiming it was bombed after Germany surrendered and killed over 300,000 people. Klein and his wife were just "Wow they really don't tell you that in school! I guess the Allies were just as bad as the nazis."
Dresden was not bombed after the war. Anne Frank died within a two week window of the Dresden bombing (exact date of her and her family's deaths is unknown). Dresden was a major railway hub connecting the Eastern and Western fronts, as well as being one of the last stops before Auschwitz. It was an important target to prevent the Germans from reinforcing against the coming soviet advance.
Census data before and after the war indicates Dresden had a population in the 60,000 range. Even if everyone there died (they didn't), this is significantly less than the six figures Holocaust deniers use to garner sympathy. Furthermore, the bombing saved the lives of people being sent to concentration camps. Many prisoners escaped during the chaos, who the Germans tried to hunt down instead of helping with rescue efforts in the city. So fuck 'em anyway. They reaped the whirlwind.
This has long been identified as a form of Holocaust denial perpetuated by David Irving and was disproven in the early 2000s. Not knowing about its connection to neo-nazis shows a serious lack of expertise. Knowing its connection can only be interpreted as nazi sympathizing. While there's a whole cluster fuck of problems about how Dresden and other nazi propaganda has perpetuated throughout the English-speaking world, it's irresponsible to spout these "facts" without checking the sources. Klein, as a public figure, should not be airing these views.
Hdhdaisesbdhu8aiiapahdhxjfh he pisses me off and I wish he was deplatformed 😡😡
Dresden is one of those topics that I hate talking about, because most of the "issues" folks will bring up about the bombing campaign are just made up Nazi bullshit. It obfuscates the fact that there are very real and legitimate concerns about how the bombing campaign was conducted, and what the actual intentions of the attack were.
Broadly, the main issue is the intentional targeting of civilians, specifically to both break the citizens' morale, and for Bomber Command to puff their chests at the advancing Red Army. While the rail yards near the city center were a valid military target, the attack only ended up destroying most of the non-industrial buildings in the core, and killing about a quarter of the city's population (~20,000 to ~25,000 people). Nearly all of those deaths were non-combatants, who were not involved in any wartime industry (i.e. women and children). Less than a fifth of the city's industry was seriously damaged, and over half wasn't even hit at all.
There's a massive amount of study that's gone into breaking down the bombing of Dresden. I can't possibly do it justice in a post, and frankly, my scholarship on the topic is decades out of date now. I wouldn't even know who to ask nowadays.
This tracks with what I know. Bombing wasn't as precise as it is now, but with Dresden the Allies decided to go "let's just drop as many as possible so that even when we miss, we don't miss." This resulted in a lot of dead civilians and not as much disruption of military infrastructure.
Of course, neo-nazis ran away with the narrative as some kind of ethnic cleansing campaign used in conjunction with the siege of Berlin to equivocate the Allies to the Axis.
I really hoped he would get BTFO'd after having that nazi apologist on his channel. The guest cited some David Irving bullshit about Dresden, claiming it was bombed after Germany surrendered and killed over 300,000 people. Klein and his wife were just "Wow they really don't tell you that in school! I guess the Allies were just as bad as the nazis."
Dresden was not bombed after the war. Anne Frank died within a two week window of the Dresden bombing (exact date of her and her family's deaths is unknown). Dresden was a major railway hub connecting the Eastern and Western fronts, as well as being one of the last stops before Auschwitz. It was an important target to prevent the Germans from reinforcing against the coming soviet advance.
Census data before and after the war indicates Dresden had a population in the 60,000 range. Even if everyone there died (they didn't), this is significantly less than the six figures Holocaust deniers use to garner sympathy. Furthermore, the bombing saved the lives of people being sent to concentration camps. Many prisoners escaped during the chaos, who the Germans tried to hunt down instead of helping with rescue efforts in the city. So fuck 'em anyway. They reaped the whirlwind.
This has long been identified as a form of Holocaust denial perpetuated by David Irving and was disproven in the early 2000s. Not knowing about its connection to neo-nazis shows a serious lack of expertise. Knowing its connection can only be interpreted as nazi sympathizing. While there's a whole cluster fuck of problems about how Dresden and other nazi propaganda has perpetuated throughout the English-speaking world, it's irresponsible to spout these "facts" without checking the sources. Klein, as a public figure, should not be airing these views.
Hdhdaisesbdhu8aiiapahdhxjfh he pisses me off and I wish he was deplatformed 😡😡
Dresden is one of those topics that I hate talking about, because most of the "issues" folks will bring up about the bombing campaign are just made up Nazi bullshit. It obfuscates the fact that there are very real and legitimate concerns about how the bombing campaign was conducted, and what the actual intentions of the attack were.
Just out of curiosity, what sort of real issues are there that you're familiar with offhand?
Broadly, the main issue is the intentional targeting of civilians, specifically to both break the citizens' morale, and for Bomber Command to puff their chests at the advancing Red Army. While the rail yards near the city center were a valid military target, the attack only ended up destroying most of the non-industrial buildings in the core, and killing about a quarter of the city's population (~20,000 to ~25,000 people). Nearly all of those deaths were non-combatants, who were not involved in any wartime industry (i.e. women and children). Less than a fifth of the city's industry was seriously damaged, and over half wasn't even hit at all.
There's a massive amount of study that's gone into breaking down the bombing of Dresden. I can't possibly do it justice in a post, and frankly, my scholarship on the topic is decades out of date now. I wouldn't even know who to ask nowadays.
Thanks, I appreciate your insights nonetheless
This tracks with what I know. Bombing wasn't as precise as it is now, but with Dresden the Allies decided to go "let's just drop as many as possible so that even when we miss, we don't miss." This resulted in a lot of dead civilians and not as much disruption of military infrastructure.
Of course, neo-nazis ran away with the narrative as some kind of ethnic cleansing campaign used in conjunction with the siege of Berlin to equivocate the Allies to the Axis.