I know I know the Catholic Church is shit and still not fixing anything (They would probably murder Francis if he tried any major reforms). But it’s just nice to see the Pope out here calling out shit.
Private property is second to people’s well being!
Free market is immoral because it exploits others!
Nations have the right to their own resources!
Liberation theology gang what’s up!
God forbid someone looks into the Primary beliefs of the community he works With and tried to find common ground between socialism and that teaching right? Or be happy when the head of that faith push the more social equality side of that yeah?
Pfft radicalize people? If they don't come pre-packaged with my exact views, I don't want em
Ah yes who doesn’t remember that inspirational moment where Mao looked around, saw farmers not workers, and said “well shit, guess I gotta pack up since I can’t do an orthodox revolution”
I appreciate you doing this sarcastic work in multiple threads
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Lol no hierarchies or opressive structures here communism is totally compatible with religion
I visibly shook at the part where we (our marvelously radical Chapos!) said that we want to structure post revolutionary society around the papacy.
Maybe, to right the ship, if we very firmly reassert the same statements in the same manner, just as they were made nearly 200 years ago. As long as we're firm enough and logical and right enough, we can finally get enough atheists to maybe possibly pull off our grand revolution - during which there will certainly not be tons of strife and setbacks which would totally not draw our brilliant, steadfast revolutionaries towards the evil, ignorant allure of faith and myth!
I may be a steadfast atheist, but c'mon we only inherit the world. In order to change it you must be pragmatic and critical, this has to balance our own high-minded ideals for the potential of humanity. I think religion will fade more and more into the background through socialist transition, but if you think about it that transition is our myth really. The only difference is we have to actualize it, in our reality, with our conditions.
youre not fighint back against the authoritarian religious establishments unless youre willing to destroy the organized and hierarchical nature of it. This means using the state to attack their "religious rights" which means taxing and making them irrelevant with government programs etc. and trying to fix the social connections that modern capitalist opression has caused
You gotta have the power to act on the organized and hierarchical nature of it. I agree with you, but that stuff happens after, not before the revolution. It doesn't happen overnight either and the fact that the people after the revolution are not much different than before must also be confronted. Zero of the proletarian/anti-imperialist revolutions eliminated every backwards ideological component of the society from which they were birthed. Of course we should be critical, and we've seen critique as important in advancement in ideology away from Capitalist hegemony, however we should understand those whom our movement claim to represent are fallible, insecure, contingent, and historically-situated human beings, just like us
Maybe we should learn something from this
Goddamnit I wrote out a thought out response and then accidentally hit delete. Look I don't know what you understand about how people learn, think critically, and come to challenge hegemonic views (especially when we consider that we all are born into very specific class-ideological situations), but I would recommend reading Paulo Freire's Pedagogy of the Oppressed. Also Fanon. IMO they've been big in helping me understand and approach differently why and how the oppressed are subservient to the oppressors ideology and how one might actually overcome this. It is a long cooperative process, not one where the enlightened person bestows their blessed wisdom among the ignorant masses
Im not a tankie nor dumb enough to think that exterminating religion can be done with just open repression. its a clear process of undermining organized religious believes and traditions that have visible and material consecuences like circummsicion, marriage and religious "welfare and community organizing"
Best of luck with that endeavor
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