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On this mega I shall take the opportunity to rant about one of my favorite things: the Webnovel UNJUST DEPTHS!

Do you love transgenders?

Do you love communism?

Do you love queer romance?

Do you love killing fascists in a giant fucking mech?

Would a plotline with all of these things happening in a underwater retro-futuristic gundam setting intrigue you?

Especially if its actually really well written with good characters, rich worldbuilding, and a marxist leninist transfem author?

All of the answers should be: YES I DO or else I WILL BAN YOU

Since you obviously love all of those things then Unjust Depths is perfect for YOU yes YOU! It is DESTINY

The Imbrian Ocean is at a time of severe instability. The monarch of the vast Empire that spans its unjust depths (:3) is sick and nearing death, every territory of the ocean now vying to carve their own Destiny out of the chaos. From the Volk fascists pigmask-off , Zionists hamas-base (they literally will not die why are they still here oh my god), The 'Anarchists' (social chauvanists) lenin-dont-laugh in Bosporus, and the monarchs gui-trans of each vast noble domain, each vies for power and prestige no matter who they crush underfoot, but it would be a pretty depressing story without a bright light in the dark.

On the edge of the Empire sits the glorious Union! The (Soviet) Union soviet-chad is a socialist federation of three states (and one anarchist mountain left-unity-4 )that were formerly slave colonies under the Imbrian Empire until they broke away in a fierce liberation war. They have spent the last 20 years since then building themselves up. Whether they be Human bridget-disco , Shimmi kbity-how (Catgirls who usually follow a religion closely related to modern Islam), and Kattaran transshork-happy (a hybrid humanoid species with characteristics of sea life ranging from sharks to cuttlefish)building socialism side by side.

First lead under the revolutionary leader Dashka Kansal, then the Idealist Ahwalia who lead the country to near ruin in pursuit of building a utopia on pillars of sand, then under the scientific socialist three-heads-thinking leadership of the Grand Marshall of the Union, Bhavani Jayanskar (I love Jayanskar so much shes basically as if Stalin, Lenin, and Zhukov were rolled into the same person but was a black lesbian badass who wore the uniform REALLY WELL)(she aint the main character at all tho shes only in very few scenes i just love her so much). Under Jayanskar, the Union has been growing their economy to both eliminate hunger and give everyone a home chad-stalin , but also growing their military capabilities for the inevitable return of the Empire. The Union is alone, but with the people by its side nothing, not even Destiny, can snuff out true freedoms light. specter

As war wages between the Empire and Republic (basically underwater USA) once more over the lands between them, the facade begins to finally crack...

And a border conflict between the Empire and Union escalate, and the dreaded reconquest begins.

Amidst this turmoil, lives our main characters (yes there are multiple and all of them are lovely). Each of whom I personally love dearly, and are very well characterized. Many are soldiers of the Union, some are scientists, some are divers (mech pilots), some are lost strands finding new meaning after joining this band of Brigands

All are Communists steban

All serve the Union USSR

All would gladly give their lives to defending socialism comrade-stoic

but even they would have little inkling of the adventure set in store for them as the lands beneath the waves erupt in fire, fury, and revolt

Can these transgender badasses kick fascist ass?

Can they kiss? (oh my god please kiss ISTG THERE IS SO MUCH SHIPPING AHHHH ITS GLORIOUS)

FIND OUT HERE: https://unjustdepths.com/

please do or else I will pout incessantly

just try it pleeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaase i need to talk to someone about it after Cromalin went AFK

(I miss her, she was a real one)

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  • khizuo [ze/zir]
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    4 months ago

    Okay, long rambly thoughts now that I'm done with Nevada part one.

    Spoilers for all of part 1

    So I went into this book knowing that it was a book that was more geared towards a transfemme audience (which I was totally down for, no problems from me on that.) Thus I guess I didn't expected to go "she's just like me fr fr" with Maria. I also went into this book knowing how much we talk about it here (though I avoided all the spoilers, so yay me) and I wasn't sure if I had much to add to the conversation. I'm still not sure, I don't think I'll be saying anything novel. But here I go, here's some of the stuff that I thought about and that we discussed in class today.

    ... I must concede, Maria is indeed like me frfr. I mean not literally, there are a lot of differences in our lives, and I know that I am within the demographic of vaguely transmasc-ish nonbinary that she's (understandably due to transmisogyny) critical of. But the way her dysphoria/dissociation is described, the way it affects the people around her, the way she moves into the world like she's constantly running away from it — that hit way too close to home. There was a part in the book where she mentions both Fugazi and the Bouncing Souls both within two chapters, and I felt directly called out because I listen to those bands — it was like Imogen Binnie reached right into my playlists to pluck that directly from behind my eyes.

    I think I brought up two points in class that became small topics of discussion, so I'll put them here.

    1. Maria and the concept of finding personal authenticity alone vs. in a relationship. Maria talks about how she's never been single since she came out as trans, how "she's only been a woman in the context of relationships" (60-61). And yet within those relationships, she is completely isolated from her partner, retreated into her own world, and definitely not communicating. When Steph breaks up with her, she is elated to be single. Someone else in the class brought up that this is a huge contrast to Piranha, who is single, generally hates going out, and yet has no problems communicating her boundaries to Maria. There's this push and pull in the novel's first half of what kind of person Maria is, within vs outside of relationships; and whether or not her being single is going to help her find herself and learn to deal with the bullshit that comes with being trans. Or if her little adventure in Steph's car is going to just turn out to be yet another sojourn of self-discovery that ends up leading nowhere, as Steph thinks it will be.

    Honestly, reading the way Maria and Steph's relationship was described felt like I was getting punched in the face, because it precisely reflected my relationship with my ex-girlfriend. I entered a relationship around the same time I came out as nonbinary, and we dated* (*we were not specifically romantically together the entire time) for over two years before she broke up with me. I was trans and she was cis, I had horrible mental health and dissociated heavily to deal with it, and after a while she was left with a partner who was quiet and uncommunicative and, after a while, didn't seem to be all that into the relationship. I am happy that she broke up with me and I hope she's doing better now. Idk, personal anecdote I guess; that part of the book hit hard for me.

    1. What it means to be real, to be present, to be "authentic" in the context of being some sort of punk rocker. As someone who is myself into punk rock, goth, general subculture music shit — I know that this appearance of punk rock as the most "authentic" kind of music is as constructed as anything else. I mean, it's absolutely a place where people find community and self-expression, but that's not limited to punk rock. And Maria knows this too — as I was talking about this, my professor pulled out a quote:

    "It's a problem: you grow up reading about punk and grunge and earnest dude rock in all the magazines and internalizing the idea that artifice is totally bullshit, man, and we wear these clothes because they're comfortable, not for any kind of fashion statement, and we're just trying to communicate, not be cool, and then you transition and realize, oh shit, there's going to have to be some intentionality in the way I present my body and my actions... Like, it would be nice to believe that you could just exist, just be some true, honest, essential self. But you only really get to have a true honest essential self if you're white, male, het, and able-bodied. Otherwise your body has all these connotations and you don't get the benefit of the doubt." (133-134)

    Maria discusses the way many people put on punk rock personas to project an image of being real and authentic, especially privileged white kids. The base of capitalism, and the superstructures of white supremacy, ableism, patriarchy, cissexism, anti-fatness, etc. — what does it mean to be your real authentic self under that? Is it even possible? Is punk rock just a coping mechanism for all of it, a pretense of authenticity to deal with the fact that it's impossible to self-actualize as a person under capitalism? I wonder what Marx would think of punk rock, lol.

    It's funny — I've always personally thought of my punk rock self as a persona that I put on and take off. As much as I'd like to pretend it is, punk and goth music does not make up all of my listening; maybe about half of it. I love the music, and I love the fashion (and subculture is very much about fashion, despite what gatekeepers will try to say), but it's also an aspect of me that I project outwardly in order to occupy a specific space. Add onto the fact that I am trans, that I am Chinese, that I am COVID-conscious (which means I can't participate in these scenes physically), and I know the fact that I am not afforded the same image of "authenticity" that white, het, able-bodied men in the scene are. There is a part of these scenes that will forever see me as a poser, because how dare I occupy the same space as them, when they're white men who are just "in it for the music", and I'm a queer person of color who enjoys fashion? They literally gatekeep the image of authenticity, because despite wanting to present themselves as being opposed to the superstructure under capitalism, in many ways they fit neatly into it.* And the US literally blasted punk rock over the iron curtain, to try to bring down socialism.

    *Side note: individual local scenes are very different, and there are many punk and alternative music scenes which are made up of primarily POC and/or queer people. As previously noted, I can't physically participate in these scenes because the lack of COVID safety in them literally gatekeeps me out of it; but scenes made up of POC are probably different in some ways from scenes made up of mostly white people. And there is a lot of genuine anti-capitalism in punk. It's all very scene-dependent, but I guess I'm mostly trying to make a point that the image of punk as the most "authentic" form of music is just constructed.

    Uh idk if this made any sense. Anyways. Orange book is fun.

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      4 months ago
      Some replies but wow this is awesome and sizeable. It reads like an essay or a thesis.

      Nobody can read orange book without saying JUST LIKE ME FR FR, apparently. Not since Berrout read it, lol.

      and whether or not her being single is going to help her find herself and learn to deal with the bullshit that comes with being trans. Or if her little adventure in Steph's car is going to just turn out to be yet another sojourn of self-discovery that ends up leading nowhere, as Steph thinks it will be.

      I always took the Steph chapter as a sort of self-deprecating bit of awareness from the author, I guess. It seemed to me like while Maria definitely needed space to sort her shit out, it wasn't just being in a relationship that was the issue, at all, and her fucking off with vague ideas was her running away from the world again, very literally.

      the way Maria and Steph's relationship was described felt like I was getting punched in the face,

      I feel so fucking bad for both of them, like Steph almost gets it but then she kind of doesn't understand what Maria's problem really is. Their thing is so doomed and it makes me sad, wistful and gay.

      Maria discusses the way many people put on punk rock personas to project an image of being real and authentic, especially privileged white kids.

      i-cant Maria is describing herself, teehee!! She is doing the thing, irony!

      to deal with the fact that it's impossible to self-actualize as a person under capitalism?

      Is that what we're supposed to do, coping mechanisms? I try to place myself outside of it internally as much as possible, although I can feel the ways capitalism intrudes, Idk. Your musings about punk and gatekeeping and sillyass white guys are super though, no notes. This was great to read, thank you for posting it.

      I am so fucking thankful to have yapped about Nevada because look at what people write and observe about it. Check out all the stuff, it is beautiful!!!

      • khizuo [ze/zir]
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        4 months ago
        I'm glad you enjoyed the rambling! I could probably turn the punk rock portion into an essay, but this is more fun

        Nobody can read orange book without saying JUST LIKE ME FR FR, apparently.

        I thought I was going to be so special and cool, sdlfksj. Turns out I'm just like everybody else madeline-smug

        It seemed to me like while Maria definitely needed space to sort her shit out, it wasn't just being in a relationship that was the issue, at all, and her fucking off with vague ideas was her running away from the world again, very literally.

        I mean I don't know much about what happens in the second half of the book yet (besides the fact that we meet James). But I have fantasized a lot about getting a shitty car and fucking off, running away from myself and my problems. I haven't done it yet, but maybe someday I will.

        Their thing is so doomed and it makes me sad, wistful and gay.

        My class seemed to be mostly anti-Steph, lol (which is understandable.) I think I take your position. It was never going to work out.

        Is that what we're supposed to do, coping mechanisms?

        I mean maybe, I know I do it. Yesterday I had a whole fiasco where because of health insurance bullshit I wasn't able to get the new COVID vaccine at the place I went to, and to cope with the meltdown I was having I literally went and irresponsibly spent $25 on impulse purchases. I knew as I was doing it that capitalism was working as intended on me. Sometimes that's just how it is.

        And yeah, I muse a lot about what subculture means to me. I have I think a much more critical view of it than a lot of people (especially zoomers my age) who idealize it. But I still participate in it in the ways I can, because what can I say, making patches is fun.

        • ashinadash [she/her]
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          4 months ago
          waow an essay...

          Nah only my wife is cool enough to not JUST LIKE ME FR FR Orange book, lol badeline-heh

          Oh I am SO fuckin excited for you to read part two. Please!!! I am hyped beyond belief!!! Lfg!!! It's gonna be awesome. Also roadtrips are neat.

          edward-wtf Okay fuck that, no Steph is awesome, I will not tolerate Steph slander. She's not perfect obviously but I adore her. I think I love all the characters in this thing, lol.

          Ohhhhhh, I see, coping mechanisms... hmm... fuck health insurance bullshit btw, and death to amerikkka. I like your critical view of it, seems very balanced to me and also the patches are sooooooo fucking cool.

      • magi [null/void]M
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        4 months ago

        Nobody can read orange book without saying JUST LIKE ME FR FR

        Coughs in your direction

    • buh [she/her]M
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      4 months ago

      regarding the "authenticity in punk aesthetics" thing, one thing that's freed me of being overly self conscious about that is observing that in hip hop fashion, it's pretty widely accepted that people wear gear from sports teams they might not give a shit about or bands they don't listen to, and "it looks good" or "I like the colorway" is a good enough explanation that nobody judges anyone else over. tbh it seems a lot of younger people do it in general, some of them might dress goth but the closest to goth music they listen to is a few korn songs. they accept that it's all aesthetics.