We should reaching out/be more welcoming to ex military, when the time for revolution comes, those that have practical leadership, communication and weapons training need to be on our side and their experience will be invaluable.
The mentality of "you're forever damned as a war criminal because you did supply chain management for the Navy for a few years" is utterly incompatible with basically all leftist critiques of the criminal legal system. You can't talk about prison abolition on one hand and then say Bobby the forklift commander gets the wall. You can't talk about how horrible it is to ruin someone's life with prison over a mistake they made as a 19-year-old and then say someone's life is forfeit because they enlisted at 17 and didn't have the balls to go AWOL.
And all of that is before you get to the practical considerations you mention.
Yeah this is one of those things that tears left wing movements apart. Like even if the state was in total collapse, there will be a military and they will absolutely have all the stuff to kill you that you will never be able to obtain. If you think there can be a revolution without the military on your side you're delusional. Even countries with weak and small militaries overthrow their left wing governments all the time. Venezuela only stands because PSUV has a hold on the military.
Tbh pepper are going to have to get over their concept of individual moral culpability for participation in systems of oppression, otherwise those systems will never be challanged.
There's not only the whole we need them argument but also the argument that some people do shitty things without knowing they're shitty. I was a dumbass liberal/conservative edge-rider for most of my life and I assume many others on this forum were at one point too. To look at someone for their past misdeeds and unequivocally denounce them for not being pure is just an extension of excessive whole cancel culture libshit. If someone does and is still doing bad shit, or did bad shit and can't be made to see what they did was wrong, fuck em. If someone joined the army thinking it was a way out of poverty or a legit life path, then found the error of their ways/was told and convinced of the error of their ways, give them the chance of redemption
all you have to do is break it and its ability to crush socialism abroad
It's hard to imagine this happening without turning the country socialist. Balkanization is technically possible, but is difficult to imagine absent the type of change that could lead to just becoming socialist.
We should reaching out/be more welcoming to ex military, when the time for revolution comes, those that have practical leadership, communication and weapons training need to be on our side and their experience will be invaluable.
The mentality of "you're forever damned as a war criminal because you did supply chain management for the Navy for a few years" is utterly incompatible with basically all leftist critiques of the criminal legal system. You can't talk about prison abolition on one hand and then say Bobby the forklift commander gets the wall. You can't talk about how horrible it is to ruin someone's life with prison over a mistake they made as a 19-year-old and then say someone's life is forfeit because they enlisted at 17 and didn't have the balls to go AWOL.
And all of that is before you get to the practical considerations you mention.
Yeah this is one of those things that tears left wing movements apart. Like even if the state was in total collapse, there will be a military and they will absolutely have all the stuff to kill you that you will never be able to obtain. If you think there can be a revolution without the military on your side you're delusional. Even countries with weak and small militaries overthrow their left wing governments all the time. Venezuela only stands because PSUV has a hold on the military.
Tbh pepper are going to have to get over their concept of individual moral culpability for participation in systems of oppression, otherwise those systems will never be challanged.
There's not only the whole we need them argument but also the argument that some people do shitty things without knowing they're shitty. I was a dumbass liberal/conservative edge-rider for most of my life and I assume many others on this forum were at one point too. To look at someone for their past misdeeds and unequivocally denounce them for not being pure is just an extension of excessive whole cancel culture libshit. If someone does and is still doing bad shit, or did bad shit and can't be made to see what they did was wrong, fuck em. If someone joined the army thinking it was a way out of poverty or a legit life path, then found the error of their ways/was told and convinced of the error of their ways, give them the chance of redemption
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It's hard to imagine this happening without turning the country socialist. Balkanization is technically possible, but is difficult to imagine absent the type of change that could lead to just becoming socialist.