Most liberals aren't anti-police on a principled or ideological basis, they usually can't get past the "just a few bad apples" talking point and seek to reform the institution as if it weren't rotten from the roots up.
There's nothing more to this other than that by being seen to agree it diffuses confrontation. It's why you have so much "I agree with you, but" bullshit where there's clearly no consensus. They aren't actually acknowledging anything, they're just trying to eliminate your arguments and make you seem/feel unreasonable when you come back to the core point.
They aren't entirely wrong. Defunding the police would just lead to a bunch of unemployed, trained, violent psychos roaming around all day. Cutting every departments budget by 30 or 40% or whatever would just turn them into a true paramilitary force with absolutely no accountability or oversight.
The real issue with policing in this country is the culture that teaches police to act like an occupying force in the community and gives them military surplus gear. The fact that so many cops were in Iraq is going to make things even more volatile going forward.
There needs to be a permanent ban on military veterans joining police forces. If you've ever been to boot camp, you can never be in law enforcement. Ban PDs from buying milsurp gear as well.
Considering that many police are called in to do the jobs that social workers, firefighters, EMTs, etc. should be doing, in the case of defunding any sufficiently well-behaved cop should perhaps be offered the option to be hired and retrained to do these other jobs which are socially necessary and which reinforce public safety. The more unhinged ones and military veterans who haven't yet done something worth throwing them in prison for should still be fired, but they might need some sort of serious rehabilitation or re-education.
More or less, yes. At the same time, you have to do something with the cops that are already making a living being cops but have no redeemable motivation. You can't just fire them and re-educate them, you have to give them some bullshit busy-box so they don't go Richard Dorner on everone. Maybe we make them the Mall Cops 3 days a week and the real Mall Cops take the other 4 days.
Most liberals aren't anti-police on a principled or ideological basis, they usually can't get past the "just a few bad apples" talking point and seek to reform the institution as if it weren't rotten from the roots up.
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There's nothing more to this other than that by being seen to agree it diffuses confrontation. It's why you have so much "I agree with you, but" bullshit where there's clearly no consensus. They aren't actually acknowledging anything, they're just trying to eliminate your arguments and make you seem/feel unreasonable when you come back to the core point.
They aren't entirely wrong. Defunding the police would just lead to a bunch of unemployed, trained, violent psychos roaming around all day. Cutting every departments budget by 30 or 40% or whatever would just turn them into a true paramilitary force with absolutely no accountability or oversight.
The real issue with policing in this country is the culture that teaches police to act like an occupying force in the community and gives them military surplus gear. The fact that so many cops were in Iraq is going to make things even more volatile going forward.
There needs to be a permanent ban on military veterans joining police forces. If you've ever been to boot camp, you can never be in law enforcement. Ban PDs from buying milsurp gear as well.
Considering that many police are called in to do the jobs that social workers, firefighters, EMTs, etc. should be doing, in the case of defunding any sufficiently well-behaved cop should perhaps be offered the option to be hired and retrained to do these other jobs which are socially necessary and which reinforce public safety. The more unhinged ones and military veterans who haven't yet done something worth throwing them in prison for should still be fired, but they might need some sort of serious rehabilitation or re-education.
More or less, yes. At the same time, you have to do something with the cops that are already making a living being cops but have no redeemable motivation. You can't just fire them and re-educate them, you have to give them some bullshit busy-box so they don't go Richard Dorner on everone. Maybe we make them the Mall Cops 3 days a week and the real Mall Cops take the other 4 days.