Hi all,
With regards to our recent integration into the Fediverse, it has become evident that specific rules should be outlined regarding our conduct towards it and our place in it. As such, we are making provisional amendments to the Code of Conduct in specific regard to federation as we find our footing and stake our ground as a part of the wider Fediverse ecosystem. The amendments are as such, demarcated within the dividers:
Federation
In regards to the Fediverse, a dual-pronged approach should be assumed:
Local Communities
Conduct remains as previously outlined [in the Hexbear Code of Conduct], except:
- Users visiting Hexbear should be given breathing room to inquire in good-faith about topics that seem obvious to well-trodden leftists. Assume good faith in even the most obvious of questions, except in cases where a user is explicitly acting in a combative or unreasonable manner.
- Do not ping users from other federated instances with intent to goad or mock.
- Do not directly link to comments or posts of other federated instances on public posts with intent to goad or mock.
- Disengagement rules, whilst not amended, are thoroughly emphasized regarding visiting users.
Federated Instances
Assume the conduct outlined regarding local communities, as well as:
- When in a federated instance, their rules (and their code of conduct) apply.
- Allow instances their own space for discussion, if requested implicitly or explicitly. If said discussion regards this site or its users, you are allowed to discuss said discussion within the local purview (meaning, within a Hexbear community), with regards to the rules laid out prior.
- Conduct that is deemed untenably toxic to the Fediverse and Hexbear’s standing within it (by discretion of Hexbear moderation) may be subject to reprisal, regardless of whether it is explicitly outlined.
We're thankful to the moderation and admins of the instances federated with us for their patience as we carve out our own little hole within the Fediverse. And to our beautiful posters, thank you for bearing with us in this week where decades happen 
IMO admins/mods from other instances should be subject to the same rules for other users proposed above. No pinging, no direct linking etc. They are responsible for their public statements and their statements should be open to criticism. We have seen how easily a scratched liberal becomes a fascist and we shouldn't ignore it when it happens. Federation is good, but not at any cost.
Maybe a Second Strike Only policy. We won't PPB them first but if they break the piece we will shit all over the pieces.
Tbh I completely disagree that LGBT users were "brigading" an instance primarily stated to be for LGBT people. Most of the people in that thread were some flavor of LGBT. It is right and correct to call out someone for trying to split the largest LGBT communities on the fediverse, on either side of the coin.
Now, yeah, the cishets need to chill out when it comes to blahaj.
yeah that thread and the arguments within just hurt tbh. We're on the same sideeeee
If it makes you feel better, quite a lot of the accounts were made just to post in that thread and stir shit, and none of the regulars really even questioned it. At least hexbears arent being total losers and pretending we're something we're not. I reported multiple accounts that were made within a couple of hours that kept posting repetitive nonsense goading the admin into defederating, but none were banned.
I liked that one 2 month old account that popped out of the woodwork solely to call us bad transes
Yeah, like one other post beside that, but then suddenly like 8 posts about how splitting the trans community is a great idea, actually.
huge thanks to you for your contributions in there btw, it's a weird place to draw a line in the sand about which queer folk can and can't play with us
Brigading is a made up by redditors in an effort to stifle anything they don't like. Idk why you're falling for their attempt to introduce it here.
They don't understand how federation works and think that tankies just input a link to BOTGPT or whatever and it sends a whole ass division to spread propaganda.
Every instance that has talked shit and got dogpiled should be thanking us for breathing some life into their dead and boring ass websites.
They're whining and crying about this one over at blahaj.zone even as we speak
Multiple blahaj meta threads, all of them crying about Hexbear. They might as well just defed instead of dragging it out since it's pretty obvious they don't want to federate with us. I think people place too much value on federation anyways. They know where to find us and we know where to find them, so what's the problem?
Hope they defed soon. No more annoying libs pretending to be left when they think Bernie was too radical
Look, I dont. I want the trans community to be large and have a nice place to go to, but I hope they purge 196 who are clearly spouting transphobia all the time
Nah, linking to their meta threads is apparently violence, so I'll refrain
For those of you who are lurking from other Instances, I'd like to offer you a little light reading. This is an excerpt from The Jakarta Method by Vincent Bevins, a book about the mass murder program the United States has been enacting on the world's communists since the 1960's. When you see people complaining about the need for civility and respect as they ignore what their own society has unleashed on the world, I invite you to remember this excerpt.
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This was another very difficult question I had to ask my interview subjects, especially the leftists from Southeast Asia and Latin America. When we would get to discussing the old debates between peaceful and armed revolution; between hardline Marxism and democratic socialism, I would ask:
“Who was right?”
In Guatemala, was it Árbenz or Che who had the right approach? Or in Indonesia, when Mao warned Aidit that the PKI should arm themselves, and they did not? In Chile, was it the young revolutionaries in the MIR who were right in those college debates, or the more disciplined, moderate Chilean Communist Party?
Most of the people I spoke with who were politically involved back then believed fervently in a nonviolent approach, in gradual, peaceful, democratic change. They often had no love for the systems set up by people like Mao. But they knew that their side had lost the debate, because so many of their friends were dead. They often admitted, without hesitation or pleasure, that the hardliners had been right. Aidit’s unarmed party didn’t survive. Allende’s democratic socialism was not allowed, regardless of the détente between the Soviets and Washington.
Looking at it this way, the major losers of the twentieth century were those who believed too sincerely in the existence a liberal international order, those who trusted too much in democracy, or too much in what the United States said it supported, rather than what it really supported—what the rich countries said, rather than what they did. That group was annihilated.
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That's been my view for a while too. In an idealised world, I would be an anarchist. In the world we actually live in, I believe the ML/MLMs have the right approach to actually getting us to power.
Same. I was an anarchist for a long time, am still proud to work with them, and still think they're second to none in terms of spinning up small but impactful local initiatives and watching each other's backs in the street. I still absolutely love my arachist comrades.
But when it comes to mass movements, defending those movements against other state or capital threats, and potential state building I'm firmly in the ML/MLM sphere. That's where my silly screen name came from (long before Hexbear).Gasoline. The half that's empty was for pessimism and styrofoam bits.
It's flippant but true; "War isn't about who is right, but who is left".
I don't really understand. Certainly one can be civil in speech and mannerisms and violent in direct action as they are not mutually exclusive in all aspects? If not is it because civility is always interpreted as incivility? Or any kind of incivility sort of poisons the well?
I guess what I think is that though our manner and decorum is informed by others' responses, it isn't solely determined by it.
What do you think?
Liberals largely think you can debate fascism in the marketplace of ideas. This is because they don't know that they're already basically living in a fascist world, which I would argue is demonstrated by The Jakarta Method. If you give fascist ideas space, they will use that space to grow until they eventually start killing the enemies who stand in their way... "First they came for the communists..." Influencing the culture is basically step 1 of how to start a coup. That is why the US spends so much money on propaganda organizations across the globe and China has to resort to Great Firewall.
People who demand that we not speak of violence (kill all the landlords, kill all slavers) are ignoring that at this very minute violence is being perpetrated against us by the very people they don't want us to speak violence towards. We are in a class war. Every bit of healthcare witheld, every person starving, every empty house is an act of violence against the Working class by the Capitalist class. And that's not even getting into the physical violence they use to enforce their will via the police, military, and nazi-adjacents.
So in summary, violence against the oppressor is self-defense and liberals undermine that right on behalf of Capital by calling it incivility. A bit ranty, but does that about cover it?
Ok yes the bit about self defence and an insistence of a polite society makes sense. Yeah, it does make sense that even if one were to be 'mean' or use vernacular which others may not like (but which are not inherently bigoted like deadnaming or misgendering, racist, ableist, sexist, etc) the response by people against communists or anyone who is working to defend themselves is unacceptable and a key insight into where said peoples priorities lay. One can be taken aback or even offended but it doesn't necessitate an extreme reaction as it's definitely not proportional (especially when you include history/context)
Did I sort of get the gist of it?
I think that about covers it. I might also note that there many ways liberals enable fascism, this just happens to be the localized topic we're focused on here.
Oh, they're starting a reading of Wretched of the Earth by Fanon in /c/theory. I'd very much recommend getting in on that.
Edit: it was theory, not literature
Okay, can we get like, posts from other sites to have red backgrounds with caution tape all over so we don't forget?
Honestly i was going to ask for same.
Like a little bit of red outline css around the comment box in federated threads, maybe with a warning linkback to this thread.
I'm not bright and had one comment already where I thought i was commenting on a dunk_tank thread, but it was external. I wasn't too rude, but i'm gonna fuck up eventually.
This is a major use-case for the kind of custom CSS reddit used to have. It enabled every community to be unique in appearance and immediately identifiable. This results in much quick code-switching when users move from community to community.
This would be awesome, especially if we could color code specific instances too (i.e. give our lemmygrad comrades a great
red, etc.)
It's clear that the struggle session now is what role we want to take in Lemmyverse, and how much we're willing to change our site culture in pursuit of that.
Frankly I don't see the point of most of them. I've seen a good argument for being nice to Blahaj, but beyond that trying to enforce these rules just seems like a trap that most Hexbears will fall in to pretty quickly.
The culture and norms here are largely incompatible with other instances. Our normal posting behavior is viewed as overwhelming brigading by a number of other instances. Our attempts at good faith dialogue are rebuffed by deeply ignorant people unaware of their own indoctrination. At some point, for many people including myself, that results in a degree of frustration and heated tempers. And the admins of most instances seem to be completely on board with the distorted State Department version of history that we're trying to dismantle which likely mean it's a matter of time before they defed because we're SEESEEP apologist genocide denying tankies. We can't do anything against bad faith ignorance of that magnitude.
I've seen numerous complaints that our emoji culture is disruptive and "image spam". I theoretically could post without using emojis, but I wont. Giving up one of my favorite aspects of Hexbear to have frustrating conversations with extremely ignorant liberals isn't worth it. I'll stay home rather than engage with other instances.
A lot of people already think we're bots or paid agents of hostile governments. The same bad faith accusations that anything that disputes the official US version of reality is the work of machines and spies that we castigated on Reddit is all over the lemmyverse in force.
And, ultimately - The vast majority of these people are boring reddit liberals. Whatever changes we make we're making to cater to the people we despise for their hegemonic dominance of culture and society. Chapo and Hexbear were created as refuge from these people where we wouldn't have to deal with them, play in to their vile civility culture, hold back about saying what was really happening in the world, or follow "both sides" site rules that accommodated all kinds of reactionary scum as long as they toed the line on the rules.
What are we gaining from Federation? What's the upshot? What's the pay off? It's very nice having Lemmygrad and Lemmie.ml comrades here, and I understand the argument for staying federated with Blahaj, but beyond that I don't see Federation contributing anything, while we'll have to bend significantly on our core culture and indeed the purpose of this community to accommodate, literally, the liberals.
I remember back in the day when if your forum got raided, you would raid their forum, and you weren't able to successfully muster enough people to raid their forum, it was a skill issue. Raiding was a fact of life on the Interwebs. Absolutely nobody would honor your "pls no raiding" sign and people wouldn't cry if their raid accounts got banned. I absolutely hate this crying about bRiDgAtInG Redditism.
"But this isn't healthy for the fediversirino!" Look around you. Every instance is defedding from every other instance. Just look at how lemmy.world has defedded from that piracy instance with everyone just saying, "dude, just create two accounts for each instance." So, basically treating two lemmy instances like two forums without federation. The fediverse is already balkanizing, and it's going to be so fractured that within a year, there wouldn't be any sense to even conceive of a fediverse.
Smarter people here have already came to the conclusion before me that I am having right now: that federation is entirely overhyped and won't pan out in the way Ledditors think it would. Most likely, an instance would just federate with like 5 other instances, and the largest instance would eventually cannibalize the 5 smaller instances so you're stuck with a large active instance "federated" with a bunch of dead instances.
Yeah I think you've got it, and it'll be interesting to watch it continue to unfold. It's really funny how all these instances fear our posting power.
I love how any complaint about an instance is met with "it's shit, it's meant to be shit, if you don't like it here's the door".
Our normal posting behavior being interpreted as a swarm of brigading and bots has genuinely put a smile on my face. You're all amazing and your posting energy is fierce. Never stop posting
Our attempts at good faith dialogue are rebuffed by deeply ignorant people unaware of their own indoctrination.
I say cheers to your entire post and wholeheartedly agree. I'm here as a refugee from the liberal system of things and really don't agree with the decision to federate with other instances beyond Lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml. But I will stand by the mods' decision nonetheless.
The section I highlighted of your post reminded me of this banger from The Matrix, which I will tweak slightly here:
"[Capitalism] is a system, [Hexbear]. That system is our enemy. But when you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, lawyers, carpenters. [Workers.] The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so [indoctrinated], so hopelessly dependent on the system, that they will fight to protect it."
That scene was brilliant for explaining one of the major obstacles facing revolutionary movements. For a "dumb action movie" it was so smart.
Our normal posting behavior is viewed as overwhelming brigading by a number of other instances.
This is what bugs me so much. While I recognize that spamming PPB with the emoji bug right now is a problem, I feel like we shouldn't have to restrict our
energies. Would it be possible to have more admins put up something about our size and the fact that we're not brigading but just posters? I saw the lemm.ee meta post, and that admin at least acknowledges we aren't brigading.From that thread:
They have quite a large userbase who are very active on Lemmy (often so active that they leave the impression brigading all popular Lemmy posts).
Obviously perhaps a bit weak, but this kind of education could help some of the growing pains as well, since other instances probably see 10 of us
simultaneously and think it's a brigade when it's just our normal behavior. Also, the fact we don't have downvotes might be something that other instances should be aware of (i.e. we don't downvote and move on).
Please let us know when they fix the emoji bug, BTW. I've been limiting my use on other instances out of respect for the bug (except on Lemmygrad, whose users all get a
from me), but I want to see our big beautiful emotes.Also, when you fix it, make them bigger on hexbear k thanks!
Yeah I've always thought they were too small, can't even put a # in front of them to enlarge them anymore
However it is preferable that they explicitly state it rather than having weasal excuses like "their emojis are too big" or "they jump into our instance's meta discussions"
Almost all of them operate in bad faith. They are just looking for an excuse, and I don't see any problem with giving them that excuse if defederation is a foregone conclusion for them.
I don't understand, why are y'all trying to cater to them? they'll just come up with other shit or straight up lie, beehaw defederated from lemmygrad for "hatespeech", are you going to ban everyone from using the word cracker so they don't defed?
they won't do that though, they'll say we're spreading hate speech or are comfortable with bigotry (i've seen this claim already several times)
if an instance blocks us for ideological reasons whatever that cannot be helped. However it is preferable that they explicitly state it rather than having weasal excuses like "their emojis are too big" or "they jump into our instance's meta discussions"
they explained it right here. they want defederations to happen for clearly stated ideological reasons and not excuses.
but my point is that they won't actually give that as a reason, no matter how flimsy their excuse is. Beehaw originally defederated like a year ago because "lemmygrad was filling up server hardware and is making it too expensive to run" because they fucked up some setting on their server, and then later justified it that they're defederated from it for "hatespeech", there are instances that defed lemmygrad because it supposedly brigades, so unless the hexbear admins think they can curate behavior to be less aggressive than lemmygrad (I will be real they won't be able to) I don't understand why they should even try
meh, if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. curtailing our worst excesses is for the best.
i mean if that's the intended goal frame it that way, why curtail the behavior now that federation has started? none of the behavior was considered bad before, but now that liberals are complaining about it, it's a problem?
we've always had a don't be hostile rule. it's just always been interpreted to only apply to leftists. we're now sharing space with others - so when we go into their spaces some moderation is the neighborly thing to do. like personally, I'm still going to dunk on libs, but I'm going to save the savagery for chuds/fash.
I don't think these rules imply we need to be civil with libs - if anyone says they do, I'll start dunking on them because that's liberalism. but pinging users into dunk tank threads or linking bad takes there is only going to strengthen accusations of brigading. even without that, pretty much every bad take gets replies from hexbears dunking on them anyway so it's not like anyone is getting away with bullshit scot free.
However it is preferable that they explicitly state it rather than having weasal excuses like "their emojis are too big" or "they jump into our instance's meta discussions"
They're just going to lie and exaggerate anyways. I see value in making it so they have to be even more ridiculous with the lies and exaggerations, but folks should expect every lib instance to eventually defederate over "the commies were mean to me once" posts.
Liberals are actually more petty than commies and it's important to not overestimate them just because they cover it with normalized language.
that would solve a large part of the problem
Except that it was always a bad faith argument? Oh well, looking forward to whatever new rubbish excuse is deployed for libs crying their stupid views are critiqued
Might I suggest pinning the code of conduct for a while? I'm not sure how many people actually know it exists.
And the admins of most instances seem to be completely on board with the distorted State Department version of history that we're trying to dismantle
We're never going to dismantle anything if we can't even handle interacting with other Lemmy instances.
Serious question, wasn't dunking 99% of the reason we federated in the first place? That was definitely the mood in the whitelist/blacklist/no list survey thread.
Then make the rule specifically for meta posts. As it stands there’s not much point in being federated aside from lemmygrad.
That was not my impression at all. This isn't an educational venue. It's arguably the opposite of that - A redoubt where we don't have to bow down to the hegemonic violence of liberalism, play by their rules, speak their language, and quietly seethe at their villainy and destruction.
Educating people who wonder in here is a kind thing to do, but that's not what Hexbear is or ever has been for.
You don't educate debate perverts by debating them. You educate bystanders by dunking on them. Also who cares about educating people on some niche internet forum.
BAIT AND SWITCH. BAIT AND SWITCH.
*more customers begin to crowd around me.
BAIT AND SWITCH. . . .
Honestly if you weren't here you've missed out on a lot of good and bad, it's been wild. Even a lot of people who were heavily against federation have become enlightened centrists over the past week.
relevant excerpt I just came across in Huey's Revolutionary Suicide
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It's tough reading that and then this back-to-back.
I think we need both the carrot and the stick. Not everyone is going to respond to civility, just like not everyone is going to respond to ridicule. Both casts a wider net and offers different ways of framing the same ideas, which usually helps clarify things.
That said, I think we want to lead with civility more often (or at least tone down the dunking to mere teasing at first). We should similarly be quick to deescalate if we tease/dunk on someone and they have a sincere reaction. Of course, if they go gloves off, so should we.
ON THE CORRECT HANDLING OF CONTRADICTIONS AMONG THE PEOPLE
To criticize the people's shortcomings is necessary, . . . but in doing so we must truly take the stand of the people and speak out of whole-hearted eagerness to protect and educate them. To treat comrades like enemies is to go over to the stand of the enemy.
Talks at the Yenan Forum on Literature and Art" (May 1942), Selected Works, Vol. III, p. 92
I think both of these analyses can coexist. In fact, I think they are more powerful together than they are individually. Bevins is dead on, it is absolutely excruciating to see the liberals make the same mistakes they've made every single time in the past. Knowing we are careening towards yet another anti-communist genocide and seeing how it has gone down in the past time and time again should galvanize the notion that our tactics must be better than any that have come before us. We absolutely have to lean on all available and relevant knowledge in the hopes of tipping just enough liberals to our side unlike all the times in the past. Because of the importance of this task, we can't deny ourselves any material advantage, and if meeting ignorant curiosity with patience and open arms gives us an advantage, we absolutely must take it. I believe that this strategy provides the greatest material advantage.
We also need to be careful to identify when this patience is advantageous and when it is a waste of energy, as well as being able to differentiate ignorant curiosity from malice or stubborn reaction. It's hard. However, you can always open friendly and start the dunks as things deteriorate, but you can never switch back to friendly once you've already begun dunking.
Keep in mind I didn't post The Jakarta Method excerpt to say, "We will bully who we want.", it's more that our introduction into the Fediverse has led to an exceptional case of heightening the contradictions among the Fediverse. There are absolutely people who are for the first time questioning why the Third World is so against the US, who are seeing our purity of hate for nazis and asking why the Cultural Hegemony (whether or not they know what that is) keeps making exceptions for them in rhe name of "civility". Some people can't be reached and they deserve to be bullied, but I've also seen some great questions being asked in good faith and Hexbears happily answering them with that same energy. Instances may defederate from us, but there are some people on those instances who are only going to radicalize further as a result. The fire has been lit.
He's right, but also Hexbear largely exists as a refuge from dealing with the hegemonic liberal hellworld we're all stuck in. Being asked to play by Liberal rules in the only place in my entire life that's free from a constant cascade of Liberalism is galling. This is not primarily an education venue.
I'd rather not fall into the trap of civility politics. We will never be too "civil" for liberals. We could be as polite and understanding as possible and they could literally be yelling racial slurs at us and they will perceive it as us being uncivil and them being civil. They do not care about civility, it is merely an excuse to censor without appearing hypocritical.
This approach really should be common practice.
Most people here have forgotten what it's like to be a lib. Education is our goal. Don't let wanting to own someone get in the way of educating.
People may think tone policing is pointless or an outcrop of liberal civility politics, but we know libs don't understand words and they just focus on tone, so just use a polite tone to explain things. We see through the illusion, but it's important to them, and that's what matters.
This approach almost never works on the internet because there are no negative social consequences for them acting like a little shit. The internet makes dunking required.
It goes without saying that you should follow Huey's advice irl though.
This approach almost never works on the internet
I've seen comrades here making some really solid and calm effort posts in comments sections lately, and I've seen multiple people from other instances coming around to our ideas or at least entertaining them.
On the other hand, I haven't seen anyone come around after being dogpiled or dunked on. It doesn't even stop them from replying or spreading their dumb shit ideas.
You're right, the majority of people aren't going to come around regardless of what you say, but calm education should always be the first choice (especially because others might read it and be convinced). Dunking can come after that when they continue to be a little shit, but at least your effort post will remain public.
Nobody comes around during or right after a dunk. They're put in a defensive position. Dunks are for (1) anyone else reading and (2) the occasional self-reflection/unconscious internalization that takes place over days/weeks.
We've seen this work over and over again. It's why Hexbear is so pro-trans.
While I love the Black Panthers and Huey P Newton, you gotta note that we aren't living in a communist society right now.
neither were the Black Panthers or Huey Newton. This isn't an excerpt about living under communism, it's an excerpt about organizing.
My read on @kristina@hexbear.net's comment is "what Newton said and did ultimately did not work, so while it's good to read and consider, it is not necessarily the best approach."
That's fair, but is there an example of a more successful social movement that took place in America's material environment (or in any material environment) that we can look to that explicitly took a stance of bullying over welcoming but firm patience and had it work out for them?
Also fair.
You kind of hit it on the head: no one knows how to build socialism in the imperial core. To me, that suggests we look at every tactic we can but take nothing as authoritatively correct.
it's an excerpt about organizing.
I disagree with Kristina but also HexBear is not an organizing space. In real life, there are other avenues of respect that Leftists can gain outside of our Politics as simply words. Here, words are all that there is.
Yeah I guess we can pretty much scratch everything any communist ever wrote
Are you referencing this comment made earlier, or are you talking about something else Mao said? I initially assumed you were talking about Combat Liberalism but I also re-read it and he doesn't mention anything that goes against the Huey quote, just that liberalism needs to be opposed.
he's talking about face to face interactions where you have body language to work with. it's possible to actually convince people of things when you're actually talking to them. but online forum posts don't have any of those features. they're purely textual. we draw people in by being funny assholes. we convince them when they ask for more reading to explain our worldview. you can't carry one mode of communication over to another.
My opinion is that the LemmyVerse is vastly irredeemable racist. Just a bunch of people dreaming about living in the Walled Garden of the West and continuously speaking down to non White people. I agree with people saying that we should not tone down the rhetoric. There isn't a point. Whether its the Rainbow NATO mod or the Nazi Estonian mod, all they want is to declaw our user base so they can cause division along racial lines and pick us apart. The mods here have done a really good job of keeping the libs from the reigns of power but that requires adhering to what made us.
Do not ping users from other federated instances with intent to goad or mock.
Damn, I understand why banning this is probably necessary in preventing defederation, but that makes me sad. Pinging the worst reactionary pieces of shit on the platform to mock and laugh at was one of the best things r/CTH did for reddit. It provided a sense of social consequence for being an open fascist, imperialist, or what have you. I was happy to see it back. I wish it were possible to amend this rule to make exceptions for the worst lemmy users, but that's probably too difficult to draw a clear line on.
I just have to say I literally don't know how to talk with some people. Maybe I've been over come with terminal brainrot, but it's been whiplash to get accused of being a Kremlin propagandist and a bigot. It's like walking into a game with rules I don't understand. There's a set of pre-established boundaries regarding geopolitics you simply can't talk about. You can't say nice things about China and you can't criticize western imperialism.
I can stop myself from posting guillotine memes, I'm still stable enough to know how off putting that is.
Still like federation. Lots of cool people. I like how they've got a more chill vibe sometimes. I think the average age for a lot of our federated comrades swings a little older, so it's been neat seeing them discuss stuff from the 70s and 80s
Let's be frank for a minute. These rules are only here because we want to continue federation with Blahaj. But some people here are of the mistaken belief that bad faith liberals can be trusted. Just look at what the mod of /c/196 has to say about our admin Carcosa, just rubbing shit all over their face. Last time I checked, exposing PMs is a universal breach of conduct unlike brigadingTM, which is just some made-up rule from Reddit. Carcosa asked for a token of good faith on the side of Blahaj (something that many people, including me, have asked for) and they were rewarded with a spit in the face. And the timing says it all really. The /c/196 mod purposely chose to rub shit all over Carcosa's face knowing that the All Active Army can't air their grievances in return. So not only is the mod of their most popular comm a shithead but a cowardly sniveling shithead as well, just like the rest of Blahaj management.
What do you think the endgame is going to be? Are we to have our arms tied behind our backs while Blahaj management make us all eat a shit sandwich, threatening defederation if we don't eat our shit sandwiches with a shit-eating grin and ask for seconds, only to defed from us in the end anyways?
Since we have plenty of evidence that Blahaj management is not operating in good faith (from the ridiculous "people of NATO" to "haha I can talk shit about your admin and you can't do anything about it") and plenty of evidence that your average Blahaj user doesn't want to federate with us anyways (based on the numerous meta threads crying about Hexbear having giant emotes and being full of tankies), then as far as I'm concerned, defederation is happening regardless of how many shit sandwiches we eat.
These rules no longer have a real reason of existence. Most of the loser Reddit clones have already defed from us. Lemmygrad is cool with us. Lemmy is cool with us. And with Blahaj soon to be out of the picture, what's the point of these rules? To cater to the brilliant minds at lemm dot ee?
If Blahaj is to defed from us, I would rather it be under our terms and not their terms.
Edit: Lol, the mod deleted that post when we started to air our grievances. Fucking pathetic. But what else do you expect from Blahaj management?
love that we have all these rules around how to be civil in their spaces while their own mods and admins talk down and act in bad faith, even reposting private messages from our mods/admins in public to mock them (see the latest post from 196)
really glad all this civility posting is working out for us
The supply of the Poopballs emoji should be rationed so each Hexbear Citizen receives only one use of the Poopballs every day.
Reactionaries Hexbears don't want to hear it but the Climate Emergency will force us to ration Poopballs.
Twitter hexbears getting up in arms about how a communist revolution would mean they can't import ppbs from the third world now
We should have class limits. If there are enough PPB posters in the lobby already then you can't choose that class and you have to do hexbear effortposts with extensive bibliography instead. Thems the breaks
I really do think we should limit PPB at least till the emote bug is fixed. Even just saying "This is where I would put Pig Poop Balls but it seems to scratch liberals"
