Basically a repost pf things I said in the mega, but anecdotally I'm hearing that sales of fiction read by men are dropping precipitously, and English and literature classes in colleges are now dominated by women. It seems like young men are not being exposed to literature in the same way that they used to. Like, when I was in high school and college, you could be a "bro" kind of guy and read Chuck Palahniuk, or Hunter S. Thompson, or David Foster Wallace. For decades, authors like Hemmingway and Bukowski found receptive audiences in young men, not to mention all the crime fiction, horror, sci-fi, and fantasy that men have traditionally consumed. The "guy in your English class who loves David Foster Wallace" was a stereotype for a reason. I read in another thread that music is less culturally important to young men than it used to be. It seems like younger men just straight up see no value in reading literature or fiction, or exposing themselves or critically engaging with art and music, because the algorithms just railroad them into Alpha Gridset world.

Am I wrong about this? Am I being condescending and out of touch, or is this a real thing that's happening, where the whole "male" culture is turning into grindset podcasts and streamers?

Edit: Okay, so the impression I'm getting is that everything is worse but also kind of the same as it ever was, which sounds right.

  • SuperZutsuki [they/them]
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    3 months ago

    Anecdotal, but my friend is a high school math teacher and said most of the dudes want to be in real estate. So, at least in that particular high school the grindset pipeline seems to be in full effect.

    • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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      3 months ago

      Is that in a relatively wealthy area? Could be normal if it's somewhere bougie.

      • Chronicon [they/them]
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        3 months ago

        anywhere that's like upper 40 percentile could probably be like that now. There's so much trash slop on youtube and tiktok about getting rich via various passive income techniques and varying levels of scam, and becoming a landlord+realtor seems to be a common one.

        • SoyViking [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          To be fair, being a landlord seems like one of the few viable avenues to material comfort and security. Getting a degree of working hard is certainly not enough anymore. The kids are reacting rationally to a sick economic system.

      • came_apart_at_Kmart [he/him, comrade/them]
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        3 months ago

        all roads now lead to the FIRE economy: Finance, Insurance and Real Estate. Real Estate is the one that requires the least credentialing to get into and promises the highest income for least effort if one hustlegrind the most shrewdly.

      • AndJusticeForAll [none/use name]
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        3 months ago

        It's about a desire for wealth. They see where the money is and want in on it. Also it's relatively low-skill and non-university than most professions. Bryan Quimby on Guys Podcast said like half the class his daughter just graduated in, the ones who weren't going to university or weren't planning to said they wanted to go into real estate. Which makes me think it's not even like they crave it that badly, it's just a backup plan they have because they gave up interest and hope in anything else.

        • FunkyStuff [he/him]
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          3 months ago

          Yeah that's definitely the case, it is about wealth, but the difference between going into medicine, engineering, or law and real estate is that you don't need to start off wealthy to make the others work (assuming you can deal with student loans), but real estate takes wealth to break into. So what's making so many working class men think they can become landlords or realtors without the connections and capital that are obviously prerequisites to attain that class position?

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