Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
04:12 - Pigs
23:19 - Egg-Laying Hens
30:49 - Broiler (Meat) Chickens
41:11 - Turkeys
45:29 - Ducks
53:03 - Cows
1:11:07 - Sheep
1:17:19 - Goats
1:21:57 - Fish
1:26:46 - Rabbits
1:29:24 - Minks
1:30:55 - Foxes
1:32:23 - Dogs
1:37:58 - Horses
1:40:43 - Camels
1:42:16 - Mice
1:43:51 - Exotic Animals
1:46:07 - Seals & Dolphins
1:49:16 - Conclusion
1:55:47 - Closing Credits
This was the doc that sold me fully on going vegan.
If you like meat, learn more about where it comes and the practices you are promoting to access it, then decide whether or not to continue.
My eggs come from a flock of 9 lovely sapphire gem chickens who have a peculiar affinity for zucchini.
What happened to their brothers?
Tyrone? He doesn't lay eggs.
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I love vegan struggle sessions they're my personal guilty pleasure.
It's not like I can eat meat.
Eating chicken meat is less cruel than eating eggs.
At least the meat only requires the chicken to die once after living a life of eating a lot, "ethically raised".
Egg hens require a life of suffering as their bodies give out from producing a full egg every single day, then they're killed just like the meat chicken.
Nah I visit them regularly they're not suffering.
"I visit my slaves daily, they are very happy to see me. They're not suffering."
I mean I'm not sure how you plan to convince me that you know more about the state of chickens that I've interacted with and you haven't, but you're welcome to keep throwing wild analogies at me in the hope I found one applicable and convincing.
For being intentionally obtuse to someone making a good point?
So chickens have a 9:1 gender ratio do they?
As defined on what, some conceptual chicken population?
The point they're making is that if you have egg-laying chickens, their male siblings, cousins, etc were murdered soon after hatching because they are useless for your purposes.
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Likely by blender, as shown here in the doc: https://youtu.be/LQRAfJyEsko?t=1474
Sweet fucking Christ I was not expecting that
HOW??
Lobbying, public unawareness, capitalism.
I mean you can make that argument statistically for a hypothetical chicken, but knowing the granola type organic farm these ones came from I don't think that's applicable here.
Where did that farm get its chickens? Are they such big hippies that they called on Mother Nature to provide them slave-animals and so they appeared from the Earth?
No dude. They came from someone who murdered all the males.
Eggs and other chickens.
Why are you being intentionally obtuse? Eggs and chickens do not appear from thin air. I don't care what farm you're talking about, trace the line of chickens back and you'll find a farm which killed all the males.
Am I supposed to stop eating eggs from actual chickens which I know are having a ball because your unjustified certainty of what has hypothetically happened to conceptual chickens?
Your refusal to consider events you haven't personally witnessed does not mean they did not happen.
And your attempting to map from the general to a specific is a textbook example of the existential fallacy.
I guess there really are issues on both sides.
So explain to me how your magic hippie farm got its magic eggs. I didn't tell you where the eggs came from until you refused to respond. Just answer the question. If there was never a farm which murdered all the male chickens in the process, where did these eggs come from? How did they come to be?
I already told you, they came from chickens. You do realize what eggs are right?
Eggs are 50% male. Those male chickens are killed after hatching.
You are being intentionally difficult because you know you cannot make an argument for this.
As defined on what? If I have three fertilized eggs, they aren't 50% male.
Buddy I can make an argument for anything
Sorry, you're right. And where did all these poor people come from? Well, they came from poor people of course. That's just how it works. There was never anything else in play. History began exactly 1 generation ago (1 generation of every animal that is -- my parents were the first humans alive, while the parents of the chickens you're referring to were the first chickens alive). Thank you for your insight, you monumental fucking dumbass.
Sometimes poor people come from rich people actually. But I've never seen a chicken that didn't come from an egg.
Although at some point I suppose there was a chicken that came from a Guinea fowl egg.
But I'm not sure species is meaningfully defined on the individual level.
Hey now don't downvote this without bringing population genetics to the table.
Here's a fantastic video on why eating the eggs of backyard chickens is no better for the animals and still ethically wrong, because when an animal is seen as a resource, it is never a pet.
Chickens do not normally lay an egg daily, they only do it because we take the eggs they've laid. And that, for years on end, is hell on their bodies.
Which is a terrible thing to do to any animal you love.
Earthling Ed vid about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YFz99OT18k
If I start with the conclusion that backyard chickens are also bad (because veganism is ethical), then yes, I can get back to that conclusion.
You're arguing that exploiting an animal is ethical?
I'd argue that "exploiting" "animal" and "ethical" have definitions contingent on one's intellectual and moral framework, and so it's a bit silly to assume that we can arrive at at universal, objective truth value for that moral claim.
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Oh crap I hadn't realized that this is applicable to even positions I don't like what am I going to do now.
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Nah that argument is just fine.
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That'd problem for the argument if that were a conclusion to that argument.
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Nope, it isn't. It's a good argument, you just don't want to bother to understand it. As exemplified by your introducing concepts that it doesn't even impinge on like "judging". I'm not a vegan, so being able to judge people isn't an important part of my framework.
I'm not interesting in "judging" a genocidal dictator from some objective moral standpoint, I'm interested in building a coalition to stop them , which I can do even in the absence of objective moral superiority on my part.
and what does "naturally designed" even mean?
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Keeping backyard chickens as pets means not eating their eggs. That's keeping them as a pet, not a resource.
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Hens stop producing eggs if we don't take them, and they'll eat the eggs that don't hatch to get the nutrients back.
The myth of "chickens just make infinite eggs" is similar to the myth of "dairy cows are cows that just always make milk".
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