Timestamps:
0:00 - Introduction
04:12 - Pigs
23:19 - Egg-Laying Hens
30:49 - Broiler (Meat) Chickens
41:11 - Turkeys
45:29 - Ducks
53:03 - Cows
1:11:07 - Sheep
1:17:19 - Goats
1:21:57 - Fish
1:26:46 - Rabbits
1:29:24 - Minks
1:30:55 - Foxes
1:32:23 - Dogs
1:37:58 - Horses
1:40:43 - Camels
1:42:16 - Mice
1:43:51 - Exotic Animals
1:46:07 - Seals & Dolphins
1:49:16 - Conclusion
1:55:47 - Closing Credits
This was the doc that sold me fully on going vegan.
If you like meat, learn more about where it comes and the practices you are promoting to access it, then decide whether or not to continue.
Is this one if those torture porn documentaries where they show gore that shocks you for a week and then you go back to eating animal products? Vegans should stop self-harming by watching shit like this because it's not even effective.
I would love it if vegans stopped ignoring that people become desensitized to violence after repeated exposure. Something something ethos pathos and logos.
Edit: I already know that chapos can't read, I don't need you to keep proving it to me.
Edit 2: me checking back this comment thread :doomer:
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Nobody needs to watch thus stuff because it's both disgusting and useless. Like I said, people stop eating animal products for a short time and then go back. These types of documentaries make no real effort to convert people… just "isn't gore fucked up?"
Edit: I love that I wasn't corrected so I have to go with my assumption that it is torture porn lmao.
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I'm a vegan in my late 30's, having started questioning my meat-consumption as a teen in the 90s and becoming vegan in the early 2000's in large part due to a similar doc Meet Your Meat. So no, people don't just go back to eating meat after watching this sort of thing as any kind of general rule of thumb. No more than former leftists go back to being libs or reactionaries because they watched a video about the torture people endure because of capitalism. That's a really weird claim for you to make actually.
Just as with leftism, there are a myriad of ways people arrive at veganism, including via being shown the kind of torture that meat consumption really does support and perpetuate. It was true for me and for a few others I've known. As for desensitization, sure... I'd imagine repeated and frequent exposure to these kinds of images does desensitize. But this isn't the kind of thing a person is supposed to watch over and over out of fascination or enjoyment, obviously. The initial shock and resulting realization about what a person's meat consumption is endorsing can be a powerful experience that can motivate a more empathetic and understanding outlook on something that can otherwise go unquestioned.
And go ahead and call it torture porn, but no, that's not accurate. "Porn" implies it's watched and gotten off to, or at least enjoyed. Anyone who enjoys seeing this kind of abject suffering and cruelty isn't likely to be swayed to become vegan by any means.
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I've met vegans who went vegan for their anorexia lmao. I don't get what you mean.
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Would you prefer it if I said "there are much more effective ways that don't involve watching torture porn"? How often do people turn vegan for the rest of their life after watching gore vs how many become convinced that the solution is "humane farming".
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Excuse me for thinking that making people click on gore without putting a trigger warning is an incredibly shitty strategy. Not only for the poor effectiveness but for the disrespect it shows for your fellow comrades.
You thought the industry standard for meat production would not include slaughtering animals?
You're not good at arguing. And speaking to me like if I was an idiot won't kill less animals.
Well, see, it's not actually about the animals.
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I did. Which is why I'm posting it.
I kinda agree TBH. This stuff works on some but generally only if they’re already considering veganism. I’m a much bigger fan of trying to convince people around the health and environmental arguments for veganism. I went vegan for those reasons and I’m gonna stay vegan for the ethical reasons.
Then it's serving its intended purpose very well. Which is why it pains me to see so much concern-trolling in this thread about how these kinds of videos are bad or counterproductive as one tactic for getting people to reconsider animal consumption.
Ikr. It would be interesting to see how often the conclusion people come to is "we need to give the animals a good life and kill humanely" instead of "we need to tear down animal farming practices".
The doc that really changed my mind was the Cowspiracy because the environmental implications are actually pretty profound. The ethical stuff is hard to buy into until you buy into the premise that we never ever need to eat animal products.
Ethical reasons is the only reason that stands in the end tbh. People can stop having emotional reactions to gore, there are other diets that are good for the environment and when it comes to health people are very diverse. Ethics is also the hardest thing to argue lol.
I don't remember the particular video right now but "what qualities does a non-human animal lacks that if it was a human you would justify killing and eating them" was a very life changing conclusion to hear. But I can't say I remember the gore I was tricked into watching anymore.
There are animal-based diets that are better for the environment than veganism?
Someone who only eats meat they catch and doesn’t eat eggs or dairy is more ethical and environmentally friendly than your average lacto/ovo vegetarian I think that’s what gay is referring to. There are gradations and I try to give people credit for the little steps they take while also demonstrating that veganism a great way to live. Cmon vegan comrades let’s have some unity.
I was thinking from a dumpster diving angle but I guess your example works too.
Wait you called me gay I'm gonna piss myself laughing.
Yeah veganism is just way easier than both of those but I still would give credit to either of those hypothetical people for trying to live more ethically and environmentally friendly. Glad I tickled you comrade gay. o7
Ah yes, classic alternative to going vegan, eating meat out of a dumpster.
The only form of ethical animal consumption and very accessible to all.
I didn't say meat, did I. You'd be surprised the state the food big chain supermarket throw out is in. In huge amounts.
But you're being so dishonest that tbh I know you don't care about that. Tell me, when did I say this?
How long have you been vegan?
I have actually dumpster dived a lot, it's awesome.
Back before I was vegan finding store candy and fresh food recently thrown out was great.
But to imply "dumpster diving" is some diet feasibly alternative to hunting for meat or veganism is nonsense.
Dumpsters are locked, often compactors, only plentiful in urban areas, and hugely variable, as well as require people to dig around in trash.
Offering that up as the "more environmentally conscious diet" over plant-based is ridiculous when it can't sustain a population to subsist on trash and isn't a viable option for people.
What's your deal, lmao. All you've done is make up shit about what I've said. I have no interest in picking the "most environmentally friendly diet" for an entire population, I just said that environmentally conscious people have other options that don't have a big impact on the environment.
But no, please act like I said that you can live off a carnivore diet or whatever.
"Animal based", you're so dishonest.
What lol
Animal based implies that the majority of your diet is animal products. I never said animal based, you're being dishonest.
Oh, yeah, I guess it could be taken that way. I was just reaching for a term that was opposite of plant-based.
Guess I should have opted for "omnivore".
So are there omnivore diets that are better for the environment than plant-based?
Me: there are other diets that are good for the environment
You: which?
Other user: well, hunting in this specific way
Me: lol what first came to my mind was dumpster diving
You: which diets?
Me: dumpster diving, ig
You: yeah dumpster diving is a real thing and it has a small impact.
Me: ikr
You: "So are there omnivore diets that are better for the environment than plant-based?"
Is this a bit? Are you doing this on purpose??
How long have you been vegan?