(i ripped this off wikipedia real fast so sorry if it's lib)

In October 1776, the Public Universal Friend contracted an epidemic disease and was bedridden and near death with a high fever. Their family summoned a doctor from Attleboro, six miles away, and neighbors kept up a death-watch at night. The fever broke after several days. The Friend later reported that [deadname redacted] had died, receiving revelations from God through two archangels who proclaimed there was "Room, Room, Room, in the many Mansions of eternal glory for Thee and for everyone". The Friend further said that [deadname redacted]'s soul had ascended to heaven and the body had been reanimated with a new spirit charged by God with preaching his word, that of the "Publick Universal Friend", describing that name in the words of Isaiah 62:2 as "a new name which the mouth of the Lord hath named".

From that time on, the Friend refused to answer to their deadname, ignoring or chastising those who insisted on using it. When visitors asked if it was the name of the person they were addressing, the Friend simply quoted Luke 23:3 ("thou sayest it").  Identifying as neither male nor female, the Friend asked not to be referred to with gendered pronouns. Followers respected these wishes; they referred only to "the Public Universal Friend" or short forms such as "the Friend" or "P.U.F.", and many avoided gender-specific pronouns even in private diaries. When someone asked if the Friend was male or female, the preacher replied "I am that I am", saying the same thing to a man who criticized the Friend's manner of dress (adding, in the latter case, "there is nothing indecent or improper in my dress or appearance; I am not accountable to mortals").

editorial note: I think this is a very cool story and I really love hearing it. We've been around forever and we've been doing variations of this forever. It's really beautiful

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  • iridaniotter [she/her]
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    14 hours ago

    Well, incongruence between one's physical body and one's mental image of one's self would still exist without gender. But yes, socially constructed roles have an immense impact on people's psyche. This is already partially recognized by the mainstream transgender community through the existence of social dysphoria as a subtype of gender dysphoria.

    • ashinadash [she/her]
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      14 hours ago

      But that incongruence wouldn't be (isn't) a gender matter, then?

      I wish they didn't have immense impact on the psyche yea kinda fucked up Idk. Social dysphoria...

      • Are_Euclidding_Me [e/em/eir]
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        2 hours ago

        But that incongruence wouldn't be (isn't) a gender matter, then?

        This got me thinking. This isn't fully thought out and also isn't entirely on topic, but, here goes.

        I didn't realize I wasn't cis until I was like 28 or something. But, I'd wanted a hysterectomy since I learned what they were in high school. For me, the strong, strong desire to not have a uterus has never really felt that gendered. Now that I realize I'm trans and have had top surgery and am on testosterone and have "socially transitioned", whatever that means for the weird agender goblin that is me, it's easier to conceptualize the immense comfort that comes from my lack of uterus as a gender feeling, because that's consistent with the rest of my gender journey. But your comment has me thinking maybe that's not right. Maybe me wanting a hysterectomy so strongly for so long isn't exactly anything to do with gender, even though in our current society it certainly feels like it must have something to do with gender.

        Railing against terfy transphobia:

        Also, I hate hate hate how terfs think removing a "healthy" uterus is self-harm or comes from a place of self-hatred. I know what self-hatred and the ensuing self-harm feel like and let me tell you, removing my uterus was not that. Getting a hysterectomy is one of the best things I have ever done for myself.

        Also, hilariously, I recovered so, so quick from my hysterectomy. Two weeks afterwards and I was fully back to normal. I took myself (on the bus) to my 2-week checkup and the nurse was like "wow, you're moving around so great, it's only been 6 weeks, you're doing great!" and I'm like "uh, it's only been two weeks, actually". My body needed that awful (for me, great for other people) organ removed and I've never felt such a relief in my life as waking up after surgery knowing it's gone.

      • iridaniotter [she/her]
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        14 hours ago

        Humans have sexual dimorphism, personal preferences, and can dissociate. You'd still have "trans" people transitioning their bodies in a post-gender world. Any specifics are hard-to-impossible to theorize about but would be great to explore in science fiction.