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    • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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      Vietnam's existence does not pose a threat to the hegemonic power of the countries they reside in and the privileges such grants to its populaces, of which they are a part of.

      They remind me of chuds in that regard. They can prattle on and on about how the japanese are the 'good asians' and 'have no problems with them' for X or Y reason all they want, but it is a complete certainty that they would fully reverse that attitude if japan suddenly were the size of the PRC and had its increasing economical power.

      For them those places are naught but a cute pet they fancy or a curious sight to gaze upon occasionally for amusement, and they better not dare try to be more than that.

      • hauntingspectre [he/him]
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        I remember when Japan was the economic threat to America. The chuds then absolutely hated the Japanese.

        My pet theory is that Trump hates China because the Japanese bought buildings he wanted in the 80s, and he's too out of it to remember they're different countries.

      • Tankiedesantski [he/him]
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        They can prattle on and on about how the japanese are the ‘good asians’ and ‘have no problems with them’ for X or Y reason all they want, but it is a complete certainty that they would fully reverse that attitude if japan suddenly were the size of the PRC and had its increasing economical power.

        RIP to Vincent Chin, the Chinese man who was beaten to death in the US during the Japan scare of the 80's by two white Chuds who thought he was Japanese and therefore "stealing jobs".

        But yeah, your post is absolutely spot on. That's why when leftists disavow China for having billionaires, I always ask if they are willing to also disavow Vietnam for the same.

        I can at least respect the ones who say "yes" for intellectual consistency.

        • ARVSPEX [none/use name]
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          Well, I am not a y*nk, for starters.

          I mean, I know about the fear-mongering that was going around your media because I have read about it (it is basically the same script being used against the PRC), but it is not something I would have been particularly aware of at the time, never mind the fact I am not old enough to have been looking to read political/financial press, much less foreign, during the heyday of such affairs.

    • elguwopismo [he/him]
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      Nah we Westerners don't fetishisize marginality and misery. Wtf you talking about bro? Vietnam is cooler because they had to have more bombs dropped on them n their neighbors than the entirety of WW2 and had to deal with subjugation to competing imperialist interests throughout their existence.

      I will say that China has been a shitty neighbor in the past, especially when Pol Pot was around. You can criticize on those grounds, but economically nah. People can be as ideologically pure as they want, but I imagine being thrust in charge of managing an entire economy would be very sobering

      • cracksmoke2020 [none/use name]
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        Yeah North Korea is the only midway developed country to not be a part of the WTO and it's Cuba and DPRK who aren't members of the world bank.

        This means being isolated by the rest of the world by default to a comparable way to counties under US sanctions are.

        It's simply just easier to give into the washington consensus than to try and forge your own path. The only reason China, has been able to forge their own path is because of their size. This said, if you're anywhere touching the DC consensus you're no longer practicing anything relating to socialism.