bullying NJR for being a fancy lad and not reading Marx is a meme
Doesn't seem like it is for some folks on here, and we all know how memes get turned into "this, but unironically," too. If we want to create a pipeline to the left, we should be generally treating people like him a lot more generously than we treat chuds. I see very little of that here despite the significant value NJR creating a socialist media outlet.
Can our end goal be achieved by liberal reformism and educating libs? I guess NJR wants to find out, but I prefer Marx’s analysis and think it’s more correct.
The near-term answer is to try both and see which works best. But we can critique one approach without glomming on to whichever school we disagree with; that's just sectarianism.
The actual article is in fact very much pro-Marx until last 2 paragraphs
I don’t see what are the gains of disavowing Marx and marxist orgs... full on condemnation
Which is it? This is what I mean when I say I don't believe "lol fancy lad sucks" is a entirely a meme. It constantly bleeds over into "this guy hates Marx, let's get him," which -- as you said -- is not actually what the guy believes. We should do people on our side the courtesy of addressing what they're actually saying.
You said you believe he's actually read Marx. If he's read Marx, but just has a different opinion on it than you do, how is that not a good faith position? He's not just trolling or speaking to something he has no knowledge of. Clearly it is possible to read Marx and not 100% agree with everything he had to say.
NJR was doing a sectarianism by publishing this article too
Sectarianism isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's more than offering a critique of someone's ideas. It's bitter, it's vitriolic, it leads to an unwillingness to work with the person one is criticizing. "NJR is a lib fancy lad" is far, far closer to sectarianism than "I have some disagreements with Marx and how leftists use Marx, and I'm going to explain those disagreements in detail."
instead of dedicating more of CA space and his personal efforts to anti-capitalism
Like this? Or like this? He publishes anti-capitalist stuff on CA multiple times every week.
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Doesn't seem like it is for some folks on here, and we all know how memes get turned into "this, but unironically," too. If we want to create a pipeline to the left, we should be generally treating people like him a lot more generously than we treat chuds. I see very little of that here despite the significant value NJR creating a socialist media outlet.
The near-term answer is to try both and see which works best. But we can critique one approach without glomming on to whichever school we disagree with; that's just sectarianism.
Which is it? This is what I mean when I say I don't believe "lol fancy lad sucks" is a entirely a meme. It constantly bleeds over into "this guy hates Marx, let's get him," which -- as you said -- is not actually what the guy believes. We should do people on our side the courtesy of addressing what they're actually saying.
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You said you believe he's actually read Marx. If he's read Marx, but just has a different opinion on it than you do, how is that not a good faith position? He's not just trolling or speaking to something he has no knowledge of. Clearly it is possible to read Marx and not 100% agree with everything he had to say.
Sectarianism isn't just disagreeing with someone. It's more than offering a critique of someone's ideas. It's bitter, it's vitriolic, it leads to an unwillingness to work with the person one is criticizing. "NJR is a lib fancy lad" is far, far closer to sectarianism than "I have some disagreements with Marx and how leftists use Marx, and I'm going to explain those disagreements in detail."
Like this? Or like this? He publishes anti-capitalist stuff on CA multiple times every week.