One thing everyone on here should agree on is if we want to get anything done, we need more people on our side. That's true regardless of what you want to do or who you consider to be on our side.

This post is an effort to start a more focused discussion about who is already on our side and how to bring more people in. The obvious danger is watering down leftist movements with unprincipled libs, but that's why a pipeline strategy is so important. It's not inviting a bunch of libs into the lefty clubhouse as-is; it's giving libs (and other groups) the tools to keep taking that next step in the right direction. It's not "everyone needs to 100% agree with me or I refuse to work with them in any capacity;" it's getting people started down the right path and then making it easy for them to keep going.


Who is already on our side? Who is "the left"?

You will sometimes hear takes in the form of "this person who describes themselves as a socialist, who does praxis of some kind, and who is more critical of capital than 95% of the U.S. population is actually a :LIB: -- I'm the One True Leftist and no one is as leftist as me." This type of take is counterproductive in the extreme. As the chuds in Michigan just showed, you're not starting a protracted people's war with a dozen of your buddies (and you're certainly not accomplishing any non-violent political action without broad public support). We need to grow our movement, and starting from the premise that the vast majority of the country (even extending to the vast majority of self-described leftists) is so liberal they should be treated with contempt is a failing strategy.

So who is "we"? Who should we consider to be "on the left"? I suggest the following definition:

If you are willing to seriously criticize capitalism, even some imaginary "pefected" capitalism, you are on the left. This means you should be treated with good faith and critically supported.

There is a real difference between those who will seriously criticize capitalism and those who will cheer it on despite dangling left-ish promises to get support. Note that excuses for capitalism ("that's just crony capitalism") or minor quibbles with capitalism ("yeah, landlords shouldn't be able to abuse tenants, but fundamentally there's nothing wrong with owning tons of property and renting it out") are not "serious" criticisms. That split between those who will seriously criticize capitalism and those who won't is where we should draw the line between who is broadly on our side and who isn't. The people on the left of that split have at least some theoretical understanding of the failings of capitalism and are at least willing to contemplate alternatives that go beyond "but what if we just did nicer capitalism?" We can and should criticize those people where appropriate, but we should (1) assume they are acting in good faith until there's concrete evidence to the contrary, and (2) support them (again, critically) because even if they aren't our preferred flavor of leftism, their success will help grow the left as a whole. To do anything less is a fast track to "I'm going to start a protracted people's war with a dozen of my True Leftist friends because I've alienated everyone else on the left" territory.

Who should the left appeal to? Who should be the targets of our pipeline?

The short answer: The left should appeal to everyone, because no one knows how to build socialism in the imperial core and we don't know with certainty who all might take the first steps towards leftism.

The long answer:

  1. While we should appeal to everyone, we should put different levels of effort into different groups depending on how likely leftward movement seems. It's one thing if a left politician goes on Fox News, or if a left organization tries to reach out to chud territory -- it's another thing if that's the primary focus of your strategy at the expense of groups that are more likely to move left. The most effort should be directed at the most persuadable groups, even if leftist arguments should have a presence in spaces where very few people will fully adopt them.
  2. We need different platforms to reach different groups. If you aren't into a certain left platform's style, that's OK (so long as they appeal to some other persuadable group, and so long as they aren't harming the left as a whole more than they're helping). We also need different platforms as experiments to determine the best overall pipeline strategy -- again, no one knows how to build socialism in the imperial core, so anyone out there trying to figure it out should at least be treated in good faith.

You mention different groups. What are these groups, and how should they be treated?

Attempting to develop precise definitions of every meaningful "group" in the country rapidly gets extremely complicated, to the point where its usefulness can easily decline. For our purposes, it's enough to talk about three groups of non-leftists that we should be appealing to:

  1. People who won't even listen. These are people who will reflexively, unthinkingly defend capitalism and American imperialism and a whole host of other awful things this country does. Chuds, the Blue Lives Matter crowd, your hardcore Trump supporters, and other types of people who are broadly reactionary, and who are broadly moving towards fascism. We shouldn't waste too much time with these people, but we should not let their ideas go unchallenged and we should leave leftist breadcrumbs for members of this group that are not yet fully committed. Some of them will peel off, and others might be softened up/backed away from reactionary bloodlust -- think of how Bernie could move some of this crowd to "I'll never be a socialist, but at least that guy isn't your typical full-of-shit politician." Some libs are included in this group, too; see the "proud capitalist" wing of the Democratic Party. Mercilessly dunking on these people is better than OK, we should assume they're trolls or otherwise wasting your time, and we should never support any politicians or groups of this type even if they superficially appear to be doing something good.
  2. People who will listen, but who will not move left soon. These are mostly libs and apolitical folks. When they are politically active, they at least see that Republicans are bad, although they don't fully understand why they're bad, the extent to which they're bad, the extent of the overlap between Democrats and Republicans, or how ineffectual Democrats are at either resisting Republicans or doing anything positive. The reason they won't move left anytime soon is they don't understand all these things, and it's our job to educate them. Yes, that falls to us; "it's not my job to educate you" will get us nowhere and get nothing done. We should be pointing out the contradictions in liberalism to this group, explaining leftist alternatives (this is crucial; otherwise we're just complaining), but otherwise keeping the theory pretty light. If you want to teach someone history, for instance, you don't start by throwing a grad school seminar reading list at them; you start with the basics and build from there. This is the crowd where a wide variety of left entry platforms is most useful. Some people will be most responsive to anti-war and anti-imperialist arguments, some people will be in the healthcare pls crowd, some people will enter through tenants' issues, some people will enter through living wage arguments, etc. Dunking on these people is OK to an extent -- tough love and good-natured teasing can be valuable for challenging deeply-held beliefs, but we don't want to cross over into alienating some of the people most likely to eventually move left. Humor, information, plenty of good-faith responses, and selective dunking is probably the best approach. Politicians and groups of this type should maybe be supported only if there is no meaningful left alternative.
  3. People who will listen, agree, and change. These are mostly people who have grown tired of liberalism or apolitical folks who never bought into the Democratic Party in the first place. Here, it makes sense to get into theory beyond "here's why capitalism is bad and what a leftist alternative would look like." It's important not to get into destructive pissing matches with this crowd even if you disagree with them. They're either on our side (if they have come around to seriously criticizing capitalism) or rapidly approaching. That's a big step, and gloves-off shitting on them over vestigial liberal ideas can still derail their leftward movement. "If they get turned off at this stage they weren't a True Leftist to begin with" is nonsense, as of course they aren't already your idealized True Leftist -- the whole point is that it's a pipeline, which means there will be some people who haven't reached the end quite yet. These people should be treated as if they're already on the left: with good faith until there's a damn good reason to change that.

"But what about the groups Lenin, etc. identified?" History is often informative, but we have to walk the line between not repeating old mistakes and an un-scientific view of history as a set of near-prophetic laws that will never ever change no matter what context they're applied to. There is nothing more alienating to potential leftists than making a good-faith effort to move left and being met with "oh you're a Social Democrat (for example) so you're really a Social Fascist." Serious leftist aren't dogmatic; they're practical and recognize the need to bring people in.

  • SirLotsaLocks [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This is great, I think you hit the nail on the head on why its so hard to make a left pipeline,

    the premise that the vast majority of the country (even extending to the vast majority of self-described leftists) is so liberal they should be treated with contempt is a failing strategy.

    I can confirm this using me as an example from lets say even just 6 months ago, straight up I was a lib. If you asked me about capitalism I would have said it was the best system we've had, I did the great in theory bad in practice, I made communism no food jokes, I did horseshoe theory, I even didn't like bernie that much, I was gags yang gang.

    I feel like if I could get converted a large portion of libs could be. Won't stop me from dunking on them mercilessly though.

      • SirLotsaLocks [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        It started when I found an ama for a federated reddit alternative called lemmy, the devs promised it wouldn't become an alt-right shithole and I got really interested, it had kind of a tight nit HN mood and I loved it. I think I started being converted by the lemmy devs, at first I thought they were extreme but over time I kept reading the stuff they were sending and I started to realize that the problems they had with capitalism I didn't have an answer to, and also a big part that pushed me left was the fact that weren't promoting inherently bad things, and that in fact they were actually good and things that should benefit everyone, compared to the horseshoe theory that would put them as bad as nazis. I still thought they were too extreme for defending china and the dprk, also didn't know how they could support stalin. I also wasn't super comfortable with how they banned a dude named panzerfaust because they were sus (muh free speech and all that) but I was also kind of ok with it because I knew the devs were doing everything they could to not let it become an alt-right shithole. They got me started but I had a lot to go. so basically I heard a huge subreddit got banned from reddit, the same one who got quarantined for saying slave owners deserved to die, and that they were going to create a lemmy instance.

        I joined the chapo discord literally just to follow lemmy progress, in the minute I joined I had no interest in the community I just wanted to see how long it would be till their discord came out. That didn't last for too long though because I actually started to enjoy the community enough that I started to chat in other places, mainly the 1 min general chat. This helped push me further as well. A lot of these pushed weren't people arguing with me or anything, I don't think I ever really got into arguments, it was mostly just being exposed to the ideas and being able to dwell on them and if I did have a question I would try and see if someone already said it (mainly because I did not want to sound dumb) but sometimes I would ask and I always got great answers, especially about china. When chapo.chat finally came up I still was very anti-china, but the china struggle sessions really helped push me over, I never really asked the questions, mostly other people asked the same questions. I would read through these several times but each time I was nudged a bit. I think it was about 2-3 weeks ago that I finally accepted china good. I still have a ways to go, theory to read, history to learn, but I'm so glad it happened.

        I'm so sorry if this is hard to read, I tried to make it make sense but I just woke up and didn't have coffee yet so it might be really rough. TLDR: I found lemmy, the devs were communists, they had some good points about capitalism=bad and how communism=good, I though china=bad and communism=hmmm chapo.chat comes out, chapo finishes the job.