I hated The Godfather. I don't think I've seen any piece of media that hates women more than it. It felt disgusting to watch.
It's also too slow and boring, even watching sped up.
That checks out considering how much the "auteur" behind it still abuses women regularly and was a sex predator creep on the set of "Megalopolis."
It's a treat I didn't dare criticize out loud for a long time because of the decades-established "this is a masterpiece" social norm protecting it, but yes I always found The Godfather to be misogynistic hog slop for slop hogs. "It doesn't condone the characters or what they do!" yeah yeah I think Coppola does, actually.
Well among other things one feeemale side character is "played with" by pterodactyls until she's battered to death and the subtext is "lol silly female trying to be like Chris Pratt" and that goes extra for the "lol high heels, silly female" that's mansplained to until she's domesticated by the end and becomes a subservient waifu.
To be honest, I couldn’t get into it either. I wouldn’t call it a lousy film — it is undeniably competent — but there was something about it that couldn’t hold my attention. Maybe it was because I didn’t like any of the characters.
That's a long standing thing for me, especially with so-called "Prestige TV:" if everyone given screen time and agency is a loathsome asshole, I am not interested in what they're doing or what happens to them.
Oh god yeah. I far, far preferred Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad because I actually like Jimmy/Saul and also Kim. And Nacho. And, as terrifying as he is, I even kind of like Lalo, in a "holy shit you're terrifying, my dude" kind of way. But in Breaking Bad the characters are just so fucking unlikeable. I like Jesse Pinkman, as well as Badger and Skinny Pete, but other than that, I hate absolutely everyone in Breaking Bad. Well, ok, I like Mike Ehrmentraut and even, although I know I shouldn't, Gus Fring. But those two are also in Better Call Saul, so it doesn't exactly count. But other than Jesse and his crew and Mike and Gus, I hate everyone in Breaking Bad. Walt most of all, of course, fuck that guy, but fuck Flynn and Skyler and Marie and Hank too. They're all deeply, deeply unlikeable, and it makes me hate the entire show.
I'm feeling this with The Wire right now partway through Season 3. I watched and loved a lot of prestige shows like Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. The former you see Walt's true personality come unleashed and can at least see the progression of how he became an asshole, and the latter almost everyone is horrible but they're interesting and funny caricatures.
In The Wire, pretty much everyone is a piece of shit, but they aren't goofy Paulie Walnuts type characters either. The cops abuse everyone, the politicians are corrupt, and most of Stringer Bell's crew are just exploiting people younger than them in their drug empire to enrich themselves without doing anything to alleviate their poverty.
The only sympathetic characters so far have died relatively quickly. Which I guess if you look at it as more a reflection of reality, it all makes sense, but there's nobody to root for and very little humor in any of it. I don't hate it, but there's a pretty big contrast in presentation.
Edit: I caught some episodes of Entourage and that one is pretty bad too. Everyone in that show sucks.
The Wire is pretty explicit about its criticisms of institutions under capitalism. It's showing how those institutions don't guard against opportunists and the corrupt, but actually encourage them. We see how good people don't make it very far while absolutely diabolical scumbags climb over each other to the top.
I think what seperates it from other shows with villain protagonists is Baltimore itself is the main character. It's also better with each re-watch. I think the first two times I watched it, I'd say season 1 > 4 > 3 > 5 > 2. The third time I'm leaning more 1 = 4 > 2 > 3 > 5.
Yeah, there's a lot of important issues being talked about and I really like how every season focuses on a different part of the city and how things are changing for different groups of people. I think I worded the other post too harshly because it's a good show and not everything needs a quirked up white boy to provide comedic relief. But it definitely fits into the "no good protagonist" slot. The first few episodes of Season 1 are just a bunch of cops beating up black people and I was like "these are supposed to be the protagonists?" I was carried through by the few sympathetic characters and alternating viewpoints. Even in Season 2, there's people (the Sobotka relatives) who I think are supposed to be sympathetic but who I don't really care about.
I hated The Godfather. I don't think I've seen any piece of media that hates women more than it. It felt disgusting to watch. It's also too slow and boring, even watching sped up.
That checks out considering how much the "auteur" behind it still abuses women regularly and was a sex predator creep on the set of "Megalopolis."
It's a treat I didn't dare criticize out loud for a long time because of the decades-established "this is a masterpiece" social norm protecting it, but yes I always found The Godfather to be misogynistic hog slop for slop hogs. "It doesn't condone the characters or what they do!" yeah yeah I think Coppola does, actually.
The Michael Mann directed movie Heat maybe?
The Chris Pratt Jurassic World movies had some pretty heavy misogyny subtext, too.
takes notes for the "Never Watch This Bullshit" list
Wasn't aware of this and am now morbidly curious.
Well among other things one feeemale side character is "played with" by pterodactyls until she's battered to death and the subtext is "lol silly female trying to be like Chris Pratt" and that goes extra for the "lol high heels, silly female" that's mansplained to until she's domesticated by the end and becomes a subservient waifu.
To be honest, I couldn’t get into it either. I wouldn’t call it a lousy film — it is undeniably competent — but there was something about it that couldn’t hold my attention. Maybe it was because I didn’t like any of the characters.
That's a long standing thing for me, especially with so-called "Prestige TV:" if everyone given screen time and agency is a loathsome asshole, I am not interested in what they're doing or what happens to them.
Oh god yeah. I far, far preferred Better Call Saul to Breaking Bad because I actually like Jimmy/Saul and also Kim. And Nacho. And, as terrifying as he is, I even kind of like Lalo, in a "holy shit you're terrifying, my dude" kind of way. But in Breaking Bad the characters are just so fucking unlikeable. I like Jesse Pinkman, as well as Badger and Skinny Pete, but other than that, I hate absolutely everyone in Breaking Bad. Well, ok, I like Mike Ehrmentraut and even, although I know I shouldn't, Gus Fring. But those two are also in Better Call Saul, so it doesn't exactly count. But other than Jesse and his crew and Mike and Gus, I hate everyone in Breaking Bad. Walt most of all, of course, fuck that guy, but fuck Flynn and Skyler and Marie and Hank too. They're all deeply, deeply unlikeable, and it makes me hate the entire show.
I'm feeling this with The Wire right now partway through Season 3. I watched and loved a lot of prestige shows like Breaking Bad and The Sopranos. The former you see Walt's true personality come unleashed and can at least see the progression of how he became an asshole, and the latter almost everyone is horrible but they're interesting and funny caricatures.
In The Wire, pretty much everyone is a piece of shit, but they aren't goofy Paulie Walnuts type characters either. The cops abuse everyone, the politicians are corrupt, and most of Stringer Bell's crew are just exploiting people younger than them in their drug empire to enrich themselves without doing anything to alleviate their poverty.
The only sympathetic characters so far have died relatively quickly. Which I guess if you look at it as more a reflection of reality, it all makes sense, but there's nobody to root for and very little humor in any of it. I don't hate it, but there's a pretty big contrast in presentation.
Edit: I caught some episodes of Entourage and that one is pretty bad too. Everyone in that show sucks.
The Wire is pretty explicit about its criticisms of institutions under capitalism. It's showing how those institutions don't guard against opportunists and the corrupt, but actually encourage them. We see how good people don't make it very far while absolutely diabolical scumbags climb over each other to the top.
I think what seperates it from other shows with villain protagonists is Baltimore itself is the main character. It's also better with each re-watch. I think the first two times I watched it, I'd say season 1 > 4 > 3 > 5 > 2. The third time I'm leaning more 1 = 4 > 2 > 3 > 5.
Yeah, there's a lot of important issues being talked about and I really like how every season focuses on a different part of the city and how things are changing for different groups of people. I think I worded the other post too harshly because it's a good show and not everything needs a quirked up white boy to provide comedic relief. But it definitely fits into the "no good protagonist" slot. The first few episodes of Season 1 are just a bunch of cops beating up black people and I was like "these are supposed to be the protagonists?" I was carried through by the few sympathetic characters and alternating viewpoints. Even in Season 2, there's people (the Sobotka relatives) who I think are supposed to be sympathetic but who I don't really care about.