Three days ago I said that I tried soy milk for the first time. I finished the entire carton pretty quickly, and decided that at the next opportunity I would buy more plant milk, to try different brands and types, and to figure out where I could find plant milk at different stores.

I noted last time that the plant milk was hidden in a random out-of-the-way corner of the store — in the store I went to this time, the plant milk was in a section called frifor (also spelled fri for, fri-for), a play on fri for which means "completely without (dairy, gluten, etc)". I'm assuming the plant milk in the other store I went to was also in this section and I just didn't notice the sign. I just expected to find plant milk in the same place you'd find dairy milk, rather than in its own little section of the store for people with dietary restrictions.

Anyways, I bought chocolate oat milk this time. The brand is called Oatly. The soy milk I bought last time was Alpro brand. The oat milk was a few kroner cheaper than the soy milk, but I forgot to compare prices with dairy milk.

What I'll say right now is... Oatly brand chocolate oat milk is kinda how I expected plant milk to be like before I tried the soy milk from the previous post. By no means "chemical-y," like a lot of bozos seem to think, just... "bouba"...? I don't know how to put it, exactly, but it's a taste that's distinctly "I'd rather not"

So, Oatly is drinkable, in small amounts, but it's not nearly as good as the Alpro soy milk; I poured a glass of Oatly for myself and actually spat out the last bit because I "needed a break". I also noticed that while Alpro didn't smell at all, Oatly has a distinct scent to it, mild but I still don't favor it; on the other hand Oatly resembles dairy milk slightly more in appearance (not a major concern for me), and it doesn't stain the cup nearly as much (which is a positive).

Oatly brand chocolate oat milk is serviceable enough that I'll drink the whole carton eventually, but I think the next time I'm shopping for plant milk I'm not gonna go for Oatly again. I'd rather pay just a little more for better-tasting moloko. I'm not sure if I'll go for rice milk or almond milk next time, but I do think I'll have the milk be plain rather than flavored in any way.


One last thing I'd like to address is just the packaging.

I haven't actually thrown away the Alpro carton yet, so I have that to compare as well.

So on the Alpro the only words of Norwegian/Scandinavian are the contact information for customer service on the proper right bottom third of the carton, and the product information / ingredients / nutritional information on the reverse. There is also text in Finnish and Romanian in these same places, and some other Romanian fine print on the obverse and proper right. But as a whole the entire carton is covered in big, bold, flashy English, and I do not like this.

Because if the reverse assumes that anyone buying the milk necessarily speaks Scandinavian, Finnish, or Romanian, then why should the package assume that everyone buying also speaks English? Conversely, wouldn't the vast majority of the packaging being entirely in English lead one to believe that one should also be able to find the ingredients and nutritional information on the back in English?

The obverse has plenty of room to in fact entirely replace the English text with translations into Scandinavian, Finnish, and Romanian; the sides, too, could cut out the marketing flourishes and convey the same information in all three languages as well. There is no reason for English to be there at all other than I guess to be trendy and to save the negligible amount of money it would take to localize the packaging beyond the literal bare minimum required by law.

I do have to wonder why Romanian, though. There are many far more widely spoken immigrant languages in Norway, Romanian is not a super widely spoken language on the global scale, and Norway and Romania are not particularly close to one another, so it seems a bit of a random choice, doesn't it? But whatever, it is a pretty language, so I can't object to seeing more of it.


Now Oatly on the other hand, there is a nice and clear "HAVREDRIKK SJOKOLADE" written on the front. In that regard, it's way better than the Alpro carton.

However... Again, most of the carton save for what the carton itself labels as "the boring (but very important) side" is written in English. Basically none of it is anything actually important, but it's just this really aggravating "corporate silly", you know the kind, the kind of writing that feels like it's a variant of that same vile disease that also brought us "wholesome adulting" and grown-ass characters swearing like 5th graders in Hollywood blockbusters.

Like I know I probably seem really petty by focusing so much on the packaging, but I don't want to feel cringe when buying abuse-free milk. Like I know there isn't really any other way to do it, but I don't want to be reminded that I'm buying from some corporation that's cashing in on people's desire to not support animal abuse and trying to turn veganism from a radical movement for animal rights to a qwirkee #aesthetic under their own Brand Image of corporate silly wholesome chungus English for the globally-minded youth. Just give me the fucking plant milk, in the local language, without marketing frills. No different from the store brand apple juice and instant ramen. No different from the dairy milk.

Is that really so much to ask?

  • GlueBear [they/them, comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    I like oatly and chobani has really good oat milk (I love the extra creamy!).

    Soy milk is probably the best kind of mylk I've ever had tho. If you can just regular soy milk, it's worth a try.

    Pecan and walnut milk are okay, not worth the price imo.

    Or you can convert to the water side and replace the milks you would've otherwise used for hot chocolate, coffee, smoothies, etc with water.

  • AmericaDelendaEst [comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    I wouldn't buy pre made chocolate anything milk, just buy chocolate syrup and make it yourself, it'll be better

  • Thordros [he/him, comrade/them]
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    2 months ago

    I can get shelf-stable cases of unsweetened soy milk cartons where I live, and that absolutely cranks. If those get discontinued, that will mark the beginning of The Revolution. armed-crab

  • Jabril [none/use name]
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    2 months ago

    I would suggest to everyone - reconsider oat milk and oats in general. Glyphosate on oats is a huge issue across the industry, and unlike some other non-dairy alternatives, oak milk typically has many other additives beyond just oats and water which I would recommend avoiding.

    • LibsEatPoop [any]
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      2 months ago

      Uh, what. Please provide some links or something to back up that claim. I eat oatmeal literally everyday.

      • Jabril [none/use name]
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        2 months ago

        For a lot of small foods like oats, legumes, etc glyphosate is an essential part of the modern harvesting process, they spray it on the plants to dry them out to make harvesting much quicker and easier, so there is a big profit motive to use this stuff.

        https://www.ewg.org/sites/default/files/u352/EWG_Glyphosate-2_Table_Full_C02.pdf

        https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cheerios-quaker-oats-infertility-chemicals-in-cereal-ewg/

        https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2023/04/going-going-gone-ewg-finds-glyphosate-levels-drop-oat-based-products

        https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news/2019/02/glyphosate-contamination-food-goes-far-beyond-oat-products

        https://www.ewg.org/news-insights/news-release/2018/10/roundup-breakfast-part-2-new-tests-weed-killer-found-all-kids

        https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/15/health/glyphosate-oat-products-ewg-study/index.html

        https://www.ehn.org/glyphosate-free-oat-milk-2659999493.html

  • Owl [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    I'm a little surprised, in my experience oat milk has been the best one.

    But I don't know anything about brands, it's just what I ask for on the rare occasion I get a latte.

  • LibsEatPoop [any]
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    2 months ago

    Thanks for that post. I wonder what other milks you have access to. I haven't tried Alpro but I do know Oatly. Usually I just go for the plain versions so I've never tried any chocolate milks. Maybe that would be better? A couple popular brands where I live are Silk and Califia. For Silk, their NextMilk version is supposed to be good but I haven't tried it.

    My ACTUAL go-to is Natura Unsweetened Fortified Soy Beverage. It's the purplish package. It's the cheapest, cheaper than the same size dairy milk where I buy it from. So I always buy 3-4 whenever I go. And it has none of that 'wholesome adulting' marketing you're talking about.

  • SadArtemis [she/her]
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    2 months ago

    Never tried Oatly, but personally I tend to like all plant-based milks- it helps that I don't approach them as I would milk or expecting milk, though (but rather see them as separate beverages).

    As someone else said, soy milk is always utterly delicious, also. I saw you said there's no Asian grocers near you but- surely there must be soy milk? Hopefully soy-cutie

  • macerated_baby_presidents [he/him]
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    2 months ago

    yeah the state of plant milk is unfortunate. I buy almond milk since that's (surprisingly) what's cheapest in bulk near me, and I don't think it's good enough to drink straight. Only for cooking and in coffee

  • PointAndClique [they/them]
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    2 months ago

    If you have an asian grocer near you, they'll likely sell 2L jugs of soy 'milk' 豆浆, just soy and water (ime 豆奶 has additives like sugars and flavourings, like Vitasoy, though both are used to refer to 'soymilk'). It won't have the mouthfeel of cowmilk or more processed dairy alternatives (which use things like soy lecithin, carageenan, sunflower oils and other) but it's cheaper and still tasty with the natural bean flavour if you're not looking for it to add to coffee/tea. It's good enough for blending if you're making smoothies. Downside is that it has a shorter use-by period (similar to that of tofu) than almond/oat/processed soy.

      • PointAndClique [they/them]
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        2 months ago

        Ah unfortunate :(

        You can make your own by buying dried soybean in bulk, rehydrating it then blitzing it and straining out the dregs, but it's a lot of effort.

        https://www.alphafoodie.com/simple-homemade-soy-milk-recipe/?origin=serp_auto

        (Usual online recipe stuff, the actual steps are halfway through the page)

  • AernaLingus [any]
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    2 months ago

    Oat milk was a little weird for me at first, but I transitioned to using it in gradually more things and it completely replaced dairy milk for me within a month. It's to the point when I had some dairy milk randomly I thought that tasted weird!

    I think with any of these replacements, unless you absolutely love the taste right off the bat you just have to get past the initial phase where your brain is still expecting dairy milk and the stuff you're drinking is very much not that--kinda like the phenomenon where if you take a swig of something that you think is soda but ends up being milk it'll taste absolutely foul even if you normally like milk (maybe this is like an evolutionary thing to avoid getting sick from drinking spoiled/tainted stuff? Idk). Once you get past that initial sensory dissonance it becomes much more palatable. I wouldn't have dreamed of drinking a glass of straight oat milk on day 1, but now it's totally routine for me.

  • infuziSporg [e/em/eir]
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    2 months ago

    It might be different depending on where you are, but I really like oat milk. I grew up on rice milk too, and my intention for replacing dairy milk is to mix a grain milk, a nut milk, and coconut milk.

    I've had soy milk too (Alpro over there, Silk over here) and I don't like it as much.

    • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
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      2 months ago

      The oat milk was a lot better heated up, interestingly, or maybe I'm just getting used to the taste now.