I mentioned that I voted, and they naturally asked me who I voted for. I said, "De la Cruz. Third party."

"Sorry, I didn't quite catch that?", one of them said, and the whole group looked at me a bit puzzled — so I reiterated, "De la Cruz, a third-party candidate."

"...Wait, there's a *THIRD* party?"

  • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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    2 months ago

    Hey, are you saying you wouldn't do something about concentration camps?

    Because it really seems like you're fine with concentration camps

    • PhilipTheBucket@ponder.cat
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      2 months ago

      Ha! I had a feeling it wouldn’t be popular.

      No, I’m not at all fine with concentration camps. I’ve started doing some small amount of advocacy recently that is resisting them to some small degree.

      I don’t really know you, so I have no idea. For all I know you are doing a ton of other productive stuff, in which case great. But the one data point that I have at this stage is that you’re supporting voting for a stooge who the ruling classes are completely thrilled to have in the election, sitting there compliantly siphoning off 1% of the electorate to no purpose and serving as a stand-in for RCV, widespread protest, incrementalism, or anything else that might threaten their power that might otherwise get some investment of energy instead.

      They hear that you really want to vote for a minority party in a FPTP election, and they laugh and laugh, chortling themselves to sleep secure in the knowledge that you’re content to spend time on counterproductive grandstanding that only helps them consolidate power that little bit much more. They can’t wait to get back to reality of colonial dominance tomorrow, as it is the reality of their lived experience, knowing that people who could be their opponents are spending time instead on fantasies.

      I eagerly await your angry downvotes. Deep down, you know I’ve got a point.

      • roux [he/him, they/them]
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        2 months ago

        Reddit tier main character syndrome complete with "I eagerly await your angry downvotes" on fucking Hexbear. Lol. Lmao even.

      • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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        2 months ago

        No, I’m not at all fine with concentration camps. I’ve started doing some small amount of advocacy recently that is resisting them to some small degree.

        Fantastic, though this depends on how you're organizing. Getting organized is the only way to effect change.

        I don’t really know you, so I have no idea. For all I know you are doing a ton of other productive stuff, in which case great. But the one data point that I have at this stage is that you’re supporting voting for a stooge who the ruling classes are completely thrilled to have in the election, sitting there compliantly siphoning off 1% of the electorate to no purpose and serving as a stand-in for RCV, widespread protest, incrementalism, or anything else that might threaten their power that might otherwise get some investment of energy instead.

        The ruling classes kicked De La Cruz off of Georgia's ballot, keeping her name but ensuring no votes for her count. RCV is a carrot that is both too ineffective to meaningfully change anything and yet too effective for either party to allow at scale. Widespread protest happens outside the ballot box, and "incrementalism" is doing nothing for the people as the Empire dies. You can't threaten the ruling class by supporting them via the dems.

        They hear that you really want to vote for a minority party in a FPTP election, and they laugh and laugh, chortling themselves to sleep secure in the knowledge that you’re content to spend time on counterproductive grandstanding that only helps them consolidate power that little bit much more. They can’t wait to get back to reality of colonial dominance tomorrow, as it is the reality of their lived experience, knowing that people who could be their opponents are spending time instead on fantasies.

        They already consolidated their power, moving away isn't helping them. The main thing you don't get is that the dems also serve the ruling class eco-porky

        I eagerly await your angry downvotes. Deep down, you know I’ve got a point.

        1. Hexbear doesn't have downvotes

        2. You don't have a point.

          • Cowbee [he/him, they/them]
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            2 months ago

            Her name is on the ballot but votes for her are disqualified. It's mainly helping PSL agitprop.

              • Belly_Beanis [he/him]
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                2 months ago

                Democrats lobbying to have third parties eliminated almost as if they understand how to do politics when it's not republicans they're fighting

      • dannoffs [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        You're chortling. I'm eagerly awaiting your angry downvotes and you're chortling.

        Show

      • culpritus [any]
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        2 months ago

        they laugh and laugh, chortling themselves to sleep secure in the knowledge that you’re content to spend time on counterproductive grandstanding that only helps them consolidate power that little bit much more. They can’t wait to get back to reality of colonial dominance tomorrow, as it is the reality of their lived experience, knowing that people who could be their opponents are spending time instead on fantasies.

        jokermala wonder-who-thats-for

      • FlakesBongler [they/them]
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        2 months ago

        That's a lot of words to say "I've decided I don't like you, so I'm going to cast aspersions"

        My rebuttal:

        Show

      • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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        2 months ago

        I eagerly await your angry downvotes. Deep down, you know I’ve got a point.

        Lol

        PIGPOOPBALLS

      • axont [she/her, comrade/them]
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        2 months ago

        The ruling class chortle themselves to sleep no matter who anyone voted for, the entire game is theirs. You're not going to legislate away capitalism. The incrementalism promised my entire life has only produced more right wing candidates over time.

        You're not the opponent of the ruling classes because you vote a certain way in bourgeoise elections. You're the one grandstanding here, claiming that this voting is so very important. It's a ceremonial ritual and I'm not gonna offer even a ceremonial vote for a party committing genocide. Eat my ass you smug liberal dork

      • Wakmrow [he/him]
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        2 months ago

        I didn't read all that but it is funny when you said deep down I know you have a point. No lol

      • heggs_bayer
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        2 months ago

        That's a lot of words. Shame I ain't reading them.

      • ElChapoDeChapo [he/him, comrade/them]
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        2 months ago

        We can't downvote you but you could downvote yourself, I have a few other suggestions on what you could do to yourself too

        Go fuck yourself is pretty close to the top of the list

      • Erika3sis [she/her, xe/xem]
        hexagon
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        2 months ago

        Your writing here is truly evocative of the teachers of young Athenian statesmen in the fifth century BC.

      • UlyssesT
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        2 months ago

        deleted by creator

      • Gay_Tomato [they/them, it/its]
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        2 months ago

        I eagerly await your angry downvotes. Deep down, you know I’ve got a point.

        Uhh...

        You can have this as a consolation prize I guess?

        downbear