I mentioned that I voted, and they naturally asked me who I voted for. I said, "De la Cruz. Third party."
"Sorry, I didn't quite catch that?", one of them said, and the whole group looked at me a bit puzzled — so I reiterated, "De la Cruz, a third-party candidate."
"...Wait, there's a *THIRD* party?"
I'm not happy about it. I am trying to warn you that as many pig ballsacks as you post, you won't be happy if Trump gets in and starts gunning for you for real, even if Kamala was also an American president and brought some killing to the table as they tend to do. It can still get worse, and I wish you wouldn't help make it worse while smugly congratulating yourself on not being willing to engage with anyone who doesn't want it to be worse.
I like how you all assume I don't have queer or vulnerable people in my circle. I do. I might be vulnerable, too. You definitely might. The idea of laughing at someone who's trying to protect themselves and the people around them, because they don't have the same pig ballsacks queued up to send to anyone who tries to talk sense into them, is distasteful to me, also.
You might have a point that I shouldn't come right away with smug hostility. But, honestly, I don't know how else I could approach a conversation with this grouping.
Have fun with your chosen outcome. I hope it brings you good things. Good luck.
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Do you really believe this is true? I can probably hit a list of 20 that he reversed or removed, if you want to switch away from pure bait and into something factual.
Tell me, what Trump policies did he expand? What are some of the many?
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This one's a whole can of worms that would require some level of good faith and listening for me to explain fully. Short answer, Biden tried to change the US's immigration policy several times and it didn't work. It's fundamentally a terrible system, and he did some amount to change that and didn't hit the gas on its most terrible features like Trump did, but it's still terrible today, and we can say that it's okay to hold him responsible for that since at the end of the day, the buck stops with him. I have more I could say on it that you would interpret as liberal bullshit, but you're not a million miles off base.
Biden reversed 31% of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_executive_orders_by_Donald_Trump
I don't know what your metric for, "just about all" is. I think you'll have to get more specific than just the raw number. I have no real idea which ones are most significant or whether specific ones in those significant areas were left or undone.
To me, Biden did great on the climate, horrendous on enabling genocide in Gaza, and great on undoing the great fuckening of the working class that's been a project since 1980. With both of those "greats" calibrated within the limits of what he could do within our pretty dystopian governmental system. Those are the biggest things I care about. If you want to talk specific actions, bring up the actions instead of just generalities about how many orders.
There's a popular way of talking about Biden's impact on the climate that's crafted by the right wing to depress support for the Democrats among the left, so that they can get people in who really want to destroy the climate, by making it sound like there's no difference between the parties.
The IRA is the biggest climate action an American president has ever done, ten times over. It's predicted by experts to roughly double the reduction in greenhouse gas emissions every year:
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2023/07/12/new-study-evaluates-climate-impact-ira
That's not enough. It's laughable. But how he got a bunch of American politicians including Joe Manchin to agree to that much, I have no idea.
It needs to be doubled again, this year or ideally 15 years ago, to make a difference. If someone comes out saying that we need to redouble the thing 5 times over to make a significant difference, and laugh in the face of this 4% shit, that sounds great to me. I would support that. If someone cherry-picks particular ways of looking at it, counting permits being one of those ways, that don't really reflect what it did for emissions, and then argues that it's not worth voting because Trump would be basically the same, I'm going to be suspicious of their motives.
I don't know why I spent this much time laying out facts about how I look at it. I may not continue. But you said factual things, so I'm willing to have at least a short factual conversation about what happened.
Lol. I am king passive-aggressive. I don't need anyone's help at being liberal or smug. But someone from Hexbear complaining that they're talking to someone who's not being nice to them in their tone and presentation is fucking hilarious.
I'll talk facts for at least a short time, if you want to, but let's not get ourselves confused about who took a shit in this particular paddling-pool and made it all unpleasant to have a conversation in.
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Cracker thought the 8 Mile Maneuver works anywhere but the fuckin movies
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Just a clarification, I'm not at all wishing death and suffering on anyone here. I am predicting it for a lot of them that are in the US, if Trump wins, but it's not at all what I want. Not wanting people to suffer is precisely why I'm talking with you all. It's not because it's fun. This creatively backwards reception so everyone can get busy dunking is precisely the kind of big-brain thinking that leaves you all unwelcome in most places even on Lemmy.
It seems there is to be no meeting of the minds. I think I'm okay with that.
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Crybully type shit. You're being dunked on for being horrendously right wing with the unearned smugness of thinking you yourself are "left wing". "Negotiating" with power the way you ask of us here is simply the privilege of not being the next target, or imagining you aren't.
And we are telling you the death and suffering comes from the Democrats as well. The Dems are just as anti-Communist as the Republicans, that's the main thing they agree on
The only thing I'm predicting that I'm meeting your mind with is an icepick
I'd like to meet your fucking pancreas with a corkscrew you smug fuck
i am wishing death and suffering upon you. I hope your life gets materially worse. I hope you get leprosy. I hope you get stabbed. I hope you get long covid. I hope you hang for your collaborationist ways and I hope the hangman fucks up so it's painful
Hey, that kind of talk is totally uncalled for! — The appropriate term is "Hansen's disease" now.
Very cool! But me saying that I regret maiming someone is "edgy nonsense" on here.
I am glad that you can only fantasize about hurting people online and reminisce about grade school.
you did that by being a part of it you fucking donkey
Yeah there's broad agreement that was you. So if everybody but you says you're a smug asshole, consider the possibility that you're not infallible and you are in fact a smug asshole who doesn't know what they are talking about
Die in a fucking fire. Die screaming. There is no fucking way your liberal settler ass really fixed your face to read all the 100% VALID ANSWERS TO YOUR FUCKING QUESTION and the first fucking place you go is "buh buh this was a right-winger-crafted argument" ON A FORUM FULL OF COMMUNISTS, ANARCHISTS, AND MAOISTS.
Please die. Die and stop inconveniencing the electrons your smug horsefuckery propagates through
You don't get to complain about "good faith" when you burst in to complain about the ppbs we haven't even posted yet, you get to climb to the top of a very tall building and yeet yourself into the void.
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Well you would know this if you'd engaged with the arguments put forth by some of the many many many people who responded to you before @UlyssesT@hexbear.net did (myself included). The fact you still act oblivious to these things makes it ever more clear that you're just a regular schmuck who mistakes their farts for the smell of roses. You're not here to convince anyone of anything, nor are you here in good faith or in the interest of discussion. You're here because you're a shitty person who lacks basic humility and decency and you want to be told that it's actually completely fine to vote for genocide.
Have the common decency to stop pretending. Just admit you hate brown people, don't give a fuck about queer people and feel revulsion for poor people. At least republicans have the decency not to pretend these things and you're as far right as they are. You're just cutesy about it
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<- What hides under the skin you use to camouflage yourself as a divine being with a soul
We know. Democrats create the conditions that make it nearly inevitable that someone even worse will come to power.
I'm queer and disabled. Do not assume you speak for all of us.
If you understand that both parties are actively dangerous to us, why would we support either?
Do some material analysis. Have the Dems and Reps ever not been in lock-step when it comes to anticommunism and Imperialism?
We believe that voting Dem is not a meaningful way to protect ourselves, you haven't disproven that, just handwaved it away, mainly
You could start by asking us why we believe what we believe. Hexbear is very down to Earth, you can ask questions without coming out swinging.
You could join us. You already said you are starting to organize, why not join FRSO or PSL?
Bruh lmfao yeah I "might" be vulnerable too for being a queer. Those of us most marginalized are the ones who are calling for political change, because the only way out for us is through. You get to paint yourself as "maybe" marginalized while some of us get called removeds on the street.
your smug ass:
I pray there's a good, sharp tiger pitting in your future, collaborator