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- spaceflight@sh.itjust.works
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- spaceflight@sh.itjust.works
The unmanned craft was due to make a soft landing on the Moon's south pole, but failed after encountering problems as it moved into its pre-landing orbit.
It was Russia's first Moon mission in almost 50 years.
Russia has been racing to the Moon's south pole against India, whose Chandrayaan-3 spacecraft is scheduled to land on there next week.
No country has ever landed on the south pole before, although both the US and China have landed softly on the Moon's surface.
No report on whether or not Russia was attempting to use repurposed anti-ship missiles like the ones they use to attack schools and hospitals here on Earth.
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No report on whether or not Russia was attempting to use repurposed anti-ship missiles like the ones they use to attack schools and hospitals here on Earth.
Yeah, Russia should be like heckin' wholesome NASA and their peaceful apolitical former SS officers who never bombed any hospitals or schools instead.
Ah yea. Who can forget the US operation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Osoaviakhim
The US created the first liquid propulsion rocket. While Stalin, oh, imprisoned their scientists in the gulag.
Plenty of SS officers and other Nazis went to Russia to make the R-1 clone of the V2. Which, btw, had a failure rate higher than the US clone.
Ahh yes, bringing German scientists and technical staff to the USSR to learn from them and then repatriating them back to the GDR 5 years later is exactly the same as putting an SS Sturmbanfuhrer who was personally in command of a facility where slave labor was worked to death into leading roles in your space program into the 1970s.
Let's also just conveniently ignore the fact that the R-2 rocket was developed by Korolev's team in direct competition with the G-1 rocket developed by a German team working in the USSR. The USSR chose the R-2 over the G-1 specifically because it didn't want the Soviet space program being led by Germans and by 1950 had repatriated most of the German specialists.
After 1950 the Soviet program was largely indigenous, led by Korolev and other Soviet citizens. All of the major achievements of the Soviet program were led by Soviet citizens, scientists and workers.
Remember that time Americans and West Europeans thought it a good idea to put a literal German Nazi general as head of NATO? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Heusinger lol fun times
"We choose to go to the moon, not because it is easy but because it
is hardgives us an excuse to put Nazis in leadership positions."
Comments exactly what I expected. Disappointed how many people here are knee jerk celebrating the failure. Feels like being in a room full of Republicans when someone says anything about Mexico or Islam.
I hope they fix their shit for Luna 26 for the sake of science and human discovery.
Even if that is correct (I just don't know, I don't follow this stuff), external observation can still be useful.
Aww man…
I like it when space stuff works and when it explodes it makes me sad :(
(Unless there’s a billionaire on board)
The fall of the Soviet Union and its consequences for the human race
Whatever scientific data humanity would gain from such a success is in no way worth the decade of triumphant screeching from Hindu nationalists that would result.
There’s gonna be nationalistic screeching no matter what, like I’m sure it felt in the 30 years after the US moon landing
Tbh the only way to win an interaction with a Hindu nationalists is to not interact.
But would it be worth it if Russia did the same?
(Though, this isn't mentioning they targeted the moon because all their missions to other planets ended in total failure. This one did at least make it to it's target, so that's better than Russia has done in a long time. Their space program, along with their government and military, is a joke.)
I suppose that depends on your opinions on the relative annoyingness of Russian nationalists vs Hindu Nationalists.
Given that most Russian nationalists post in Russian and aren't heavily present in English spaces, I find the Hindu nationalists to be more annoying.
So purely because you think they're annoying... and you're on hexbear where 90% of the comments are a stupid image instead of anything meaningful. Alright. I guess you're probably an expert on annoying at this point so you're opinion must be valid, right?
hexbear where 90% of the comments are a stupid image instead of anything meaningful.
I find this characterization strange, we've got emotes and we use them, but the clear majority of comments on most threads are still text-only. Seriously, go to Hexbear and pick a thread.
Yes, I am the solitary Truth Decider. That's exactly what I claimed.
There are fascists among Russian nationalists, but they are not the people in power (e.g. darling martyr for western media, Navalny, is one). In India, the fascists are much more powerful. On that basis, I think the Russian ones would be bothersome but not as much so. Much better for it to be China, but they can't do everything.
What's the problem. It was a lunar lander. It landed on the moon. Mission accomplished.
Nobody walked away from that landing, so it definitely wasn't a good one. The fact that there was nobody to walk away from the landing is a mere technicality.
Of course the BBC has to throw in that bit of kkkracker cope at the end. Nevermind how challenging a south pole landing would be relative to elsewhere on the moon.
:bathroom:
As someone fond of science, its kinda heart breaking as many people spends decades of work to make this stuff and their dreams get crushed when these fail. Hope they fix and launch another one.
This can't be right. I was told that Hexbear loved Putin. What have you done with the real Hexbears?
This but unironically. In general though, there is nothing more galling than liberals complaining about Russia. You made it this way. This is on you. First you destroy the soviet union, then you reconfigure the politics and economy of Russia, and then you have the audacity to complain about the very thing you caused.
Don't compare committing a violent coup against them with not having dinner ready you cynical piece of shit
Alright, I'll bite. Whom do you mean by "them" and what coup are you referring to?
but they did make it that way, they fanned the fires of fascism and neoliberalism in the USSR since its inception. Its funny that you're surprised that you're getting burned as well.
neoliberalism in the USSR
There's a phrase I never thought I'd see used unironically (or at all), but here we are.
I mean people of differing politics will exist in every country
also Yeltsin was a communist party member before the traitor sold out humanity, so the roots existed and were there. Neoliberalism and fascism was a tumor planted in the USSR and tenderly cared for by the US and the capitalist world order.
Also calling it in a few decades when they reveal Yeltsin was a plant
Also calling it in a few decades when they reveal Yeltsin was a plant
So was Trump, so I'd say the US and Russia are even on that score.
bro how in the hell would russia own a US billionaire
also how is this a own trump could jump off a cliff after yeltsin, why do you think thats an own
Even if your crank russiagate bullshit was true, Trump unfortunately did not actually destroy his country like Yeltsin did, so there's still a score to settle.
You're going to have some strong fucking culture shock if you keep up with this general smug sarcastic redditor behavior of yours. That shit doesn't go nearly as far here unless you're straight up looking for abuse. You replied to me in this thread asking about the 1993 coup in Russia like you never heard of it and I don't know if it's just because you are completely ignorant of the subject or if you're just trolling with leading questions because your overall attitude has been smarmy as shit.
Ooh, did I touch a nerve? Good! If you don't like the taste of your own medicine, I suggest you stop spreading it around with a shovel. If you snark at me, don't be surprised when I snark back harder. Be respectful if you're looking for the same in return. And don't flatter yourself, you're about thirty years too late to give me a culture shock by being rude to me on the internet.
I asked what coup you meant because you didn't make it clear which one you were talking about, and I thought you might be a typical Kremlin shill spreading the narrative that the evil West was behind Yanukovych' ousting in Ukraine in 2014. Too bad, it'd have been a lot of fun picking that apart. Oh well. Thanks for clearing that up, much obliged.
OooOooOOoo someone commented on my BeHaIvIOr, guess I'm FUCKING WINNING since they're TRIGGEREDDD LOLZ!
Go back to reddit. You don't belong here. The sophomoric shit. The debatebro attitude. Starting every sentences with some snarky preface. You're shit. Go back to where people are shit.
I thought you might be a typical Kremlin shill spreading the narrative that the evil West was behind Yanukovych' ousting in Ukraine in 2014. Too bad, it'd have been a lot of fun picking that apart. Oh well. Thanks for clearing that up, much obliged.
Literally admitting that "coup" has become a pavlovian trigger word for you.
That's not what they fucking said and also the comparison is senseless.
Ah yes, well known liberal checks notes George Bush.
Russia cannibalised itself after the Soviet Union fell, didn't need any Western help there.
The USA was attempting to destroy the USSR from day one. Despite being an extremely intelligent and educated person, you were never told that the USA actually invaded Russia within months of the October Revolution. Liberals are such a fucking joke.
“The USSR destroyed itself.” Give me a break. The USA’s entire existence derives from stealing land from indigenous people and enslaving and exterminating them. Because the USSR dared to declare that it was an anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, and anti-capitalist project, the USA dedicated everything to its annihilation. But thankfully the story isn’t over. China never broke with Stalin.
My guy, China is the least socialist place on earth. It is so capitalist and so unequal. You pay to use the roads, you pay to use the hospitals, you pay for any schooling past middle school, if you don't have a city residence permit your pension is 5% of those that do.
Have you ever been?
Capitalism is when you pay for things, and the more you pay for things, the more capitalister it is. When atoms exchange valence electrons, for example, that’s capitalism right there. Entrepreneurship has been woven into the fabric of reality since God, the great investor in the sky, created it.
What’s funny is that the US ruling class doesn’t pay for anything—they’re so rich and powerful specifically because they’re stealing from everyone else (including you)—yet nobody would argue that the US isn’t a capitalist hellhole in terminal decline.
I have to wonder—if China isn’t a socialist country, why is every student there compelled to study Marxism? Isn’t it extremely dangerous for a country masquerading as socialist to expose every single student under its sovereignty to Marxist texts?
If socialism isn't from each according to his means to each according to his needs then what the fuck is it?
The quote is “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs,” Mr. Marxism expert.
Was capitalism built in a day? Do you think that Xi can just press the communism button and make everything instantly perfect everywhere? That’s not how it works. China is currently doing the USSR’s (and Stalin’s) NEP, but they’re doing it so much harder than Stalin ever did. They are literally hanging the capitalists with the rope the capitalists are selling them. Once the forces of production are built up to a point where everyone’s necessities are met—and once the USA is no longer in existence—it will become possible for the world to move forward into the next stage of history.
Also I like how you didn’t answer the question about Marxism being taught to Chinese students. Because there is no answer. Because you are wrong 😉
Capitalism is when exchange.
In exchange for such a shit statement I could give a slap on the face and that would count as capitalism in your book.
If your idea of socialism is homeless people dying in the streets and people stepping over children because taking them to hospital lumbers you with their medical bills then, sure, China is as socialist as they come.
Why are you explaining me my home town and calling it China?
Also, how about we get a source on these claims?
and people stepping over children because taking them to hospital lumbers you with their medical bills then
This is an outdated trope from a defect in their liability laws that are mostly fixed.
China is the least socialist place on earth.
On Earth?
Really?
Damn America number 2
I'm not reading a pop politics book for you. Go read The Gulag Archipelago.
“Excuse me but my book was spawned at the beginning of time with no creator and thus no bias or agenda, and is a crystal of pure truth, and yours is poopy tankie peepee”
I don't care about antisemitic noblemen. His book is fake, and he's lucky he wasn't killed.
Political Liberal not “social liberal”
Bush was a capital L Liberal Capitalist
In the sense of “liberal” as used in political philosophy or how the word is applied to party names in most countries around the world, yes Bush was a liberal. Americans tend to use the word differently though, since both major US parties are pro-business liberal parties, of a sort. This maybe applies a bit less to the Republicans today than in did in GHW Bush’s day, although by how much is still up for debate.
politically liberal is a useless term, liberals flip flop on their morals every few years
Liberal as in the tradition of John Locke, not the American vernacular sense
The bourgeoisie cannibalised Russia. Liberals from the west insisted that Russia and the rest of the Soviet republics would be ruled by the bourgeoisie. This was the whole point of the Cold War. At huge expense to its own citizenry the west conducted a series of proxy wars and led an arms race to make it as difficult as possible for workers to control their own destiny.
As expected, false scarcity and extreme inequality followed, and to justify or explain this inequality, the bourgeoisie used from the usual ethnic and sexual minority scapegoats. With your weird understanding of history, you're obviously American, so none of this should be hard to understand. You have people dying on the streets, the government won't even raise the minimum wage, but the news about the evils of Mexicans, blacks, trans people, etc. never stops.
The soviet union destroyed itself because it was an unstable pile of dogshit.
Wonder why it was made unstable in the first place? Ever wondered who contributed to the illegal dissolution of the USSR?
That states had to react to threats from the US never crosses their mind. The whole dissolution of the USSR and subsequent pillaging played out on the nightly news for years and I've never met a liberal that remembers it. They do vaguely remember that the USSR had an aggressive security state but can't ever understand why.
Man, we needed you decades ago. Imagine how much money we could have saved on thr cold war. All that threatening to destroy the planet for nothing. The genocides we did? Judt big oopsies
mfw liberals say they're better than conservatives because bigotry
No report on whether or not Russia was attempting to use repurposed anti-ship missiles like the ones they use to attack schools and hospitals here on Earth.
I mean, who wouldn't support attacking schools and hospitals housing Nazis? Wouldn't you OP?
You can set a trap for libs by getting them to say that Azov is defending their homeland, can hide where they want, and Russia is a war criminal for attacking their hiding places.
Agree with them, and then start talking about how the same also applies to Hamas and Israel is an even bigger war criminal.
Hey, those schools and hospitals are very defensible positions!
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I wonder what happens to the spacecraft now. I guess it's just stuck there right?
