for real. I have some childless friends. which I should say I am also childless, but I like kids and used to teach kids from ages 10-17. my friends have never worked with kids and never interact with them, but they remember school as being mean to them and not letting them achieve their maximum individual potential, so they think kids should just have all this unstructured magic playtime to explore their own genius.
I'm not saying we need to be shitty to them, but kids are crazy. they need to be constantly reminded not to cough in others' faces, not to dig in their own assholes and then touch group food, not to act like goddam maniac when someone it's someone else's turn with a shared resource, and that it's important to play in a group activity or accomplish a task with a partner and realize a shared vision.
kids can be absolutely fuckin bonkers' ass little terrorist monsters with no impulse control, and people who think they are magic enlightened angels should be forced to work with them for like one day.
Rofl this is probably caused by the hilarious reactions she gets when she does this, either the elation adults show because it's funny af or the shock and surprise being entertaining. Discouraging it is very difficult and a lot of kids do it for the same reasons - incorrect reactions from those around them end up reinforcing the behaviour.
that's like seven years at a minimum after they start being conditioned to BE selfish monsters, idk this seems like a more systemic issue than a biological 'kids need to be kept in line regardless of social structure' thing
in fact i think it's borderline reactionary. yeah kids are gross and selfish and shitty but who taught them to be that way? they had ten or more years of experience at that point. if people treat you as subhuman, not worthy of consultation, and inherently worthless and a drain of resources for ten years and you have no other experiences you'd be fucked up too (case in point: you/everyone here probably was fucked up until they experienced things other than being treated like that)
edit: read theory
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/toby-rollo-brian-davis-arthur-silber-no-against-adult-supremacy-vol-10
you're probably right to be annoyed, actually. but that isn't the kid's fault that they're doing stupid shit while they're learning. it's the fault of us underpaying and forcing teachers and child care workers to work too many hours simultaneously, because we don't treat them as valuable as they are. child care workers should be paid like degree holding medical doctors at minimum
In this manner, the child is prevented from developing a genuine, authentic sense of self. As he grows older, this deadening of his soul desensitizes the child to the pain of others. Eventually, the maturing adult will seek to express his repressed anger on external targets, since he has never been allowed to experience and express it in ways that would not be destructive. By such means, the cycle of violence is continued into another generation (using “violence” in the broadest sense). One of the additional consequences is that the adult, who has never developed an authentic self, can easily transfer his idealization of his parents to a new authority figure.
Okay this is a very earnest examination of a little joke I was making but I will say that I agree, it's just that kids at like 5 simply can't really conceive of a "social contract" for the most part
There are some cool chimp studies though that showcase how infant humans and infant chimps, when presented with a little "play" involving a shape atop a hill that pushes another shape down whenever it climbs up, have very different priorities. When presented with physical toys that match the shapes from the play, infant humans usually chose the shape that was getting pushed down, while the infant chimps chose the "dominant" shape
It's not super conclusive tbh but it's cute that kids seemingly want to console the bullied actor
kindergarteners should have their "individual initiative" suppressed, kids at that age are SOCIOPATHS
for real. I have some childless friends. which I should say I am also childless, but I like kids and used to teach kids from ages 10-17. my friends have never worked with kids and never interact with them, but they remember school as being mean to them and not letting them achieve their maximum individual potential, so they think kids should just have all this unstructured magic playtime to explore their own genius.
I'm not saying we need to be shitty to them, but kids are crazy. they need to be constantly reminded not to cough in others' faces, not to dig in their own assholes and then touch group food, not to act like goddam maniac when someone it's someone else's turn with a shared resource, and that it's important to play in a group activity or accomplish a task with a partner and realize a shared vision.
kids can be absolutely fuckin bonkers' ass little terrorist monsters with no impulse control, and people who think they are magic enlightened angels should be forced to work with them for like one day.
I have a niece who keeps biting people
I am afraid of her
Rofl this is probably caused by the hilarious reactions she gets when she does this, either the elation adults show because it's funny af or the shock and surprise being entertaining. Discouraging it is very difficult and a lot of kids do it for the same reasons - incorrect reactions from those around them end up reinforcing the behaviour.
that's like seven years at a minimum after they start being conditioned to BE selfish monsters, idk this seems like a more systemic issue than a biological 'kids need to be kept in line regardless of social structure' thing
in fact i think it's borderline reactionary. yeah kids are gross and selfish and shitty but who taught them to be that way? they had ten or more years of experience at that point. if people treat you as subhuman, not worthy of consultation, and inherently worthless and a drain of resources for ten years and you have no other experiences you'd be fucked up too (case in point: you/everyone here probably was fucked up until they experienced things other than being treated like that)
edit: read theory https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/toby-rollo-brian-davis-arthur-silber-no-against-adult-supremacy-vol-10
you're probably right to be annoyed, actually. but that isn't the kid's fault that they're doing stupid shit while they're learning. it's the fault of us underpaying and forcing teachers and child care workers to work too many hours simultaneously, because we don't treat them as valuable as they are. child care workers should be paid like degree holding medical doctors at minimum
Whoops! We Made Ten Year Old Hitler!
Okay this is a very earnest examination of a little joke I was making but I will say that I agree, it's just that kids at like 5 simply can't really conceive of a "social contract" for the most part
There are some cool chimp studies though that showcase how infant humans and infant chimps, when presented with a little "play" involving a shape atop a hill that pushes another shape down whenever it climbs up, have very different priorities. When presented with physical toys that match the shapes from the play, infant humans usually chose the shape that was getting pushed down, while the infant chimps chose the "dominant" shape
It's not super conclusive tbh but it's cute that kids seemingly want to console the bullied actor
You've touched on some unexamined thoughts that rattle around in my brain. I'd like to formally say "oh yeah, huh..."