So just 4 days ago we had huge thread about how great she is because she criticized US imperialism and immediately after that she's actively participating in the same imperialism. Also her position on Ukraine remains afaik unchanged, still supporting that fascist and ecocidal imperial puppet. How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?
Eh... she's protesting the more right wing part of the government winning an election. Seems fine to me.
Russia is useful for destabilizing the Western dominated world order, but is definitely not a "friend" of the left.
Edit: (gonna leave my comment here, because I earned this)
Woof, fucked a hornets nest on this one didn't I?
My intent, ultimately wrongheaded as I may be, was to wonder why we care about Greta Thunberg taking a side in this. I wasn't aware she was more than a minor celebrity based on climate change stuff and has enough... I don't know... influence to draw more outside support for this attempt at a color revolution. This feels likes something for The Dunk Tank and not News.
Sure, she made some negative statements about US imperialism, but that's pretty low hanging fruit. Its the easiest thing in the world to do when there's a flag to identify who is doing what. But can completely understand why it might be much harder to see what's likely going on when the flags are the Georgian flag and the Russian flag, especially when you're in your early 20's.
She's participating in literal colour revolution.
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We could send her a book on Color Revolutions. Didn't Zinn write a good one?
Washington Bullets is pretty good.
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Only problem is, the lack of references make it hard to recommend to Libs.
Jakarta Method is great and I've got JM and WB next to each other on my bookshelf. Haven't read If We Burn yet, but Pipeline was decent.
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Oh, yeah, but he doesn't list any sources. Says he's got some personal contacts and the rest is freely available or something. For anyone even slightly familiar with what he's talking about, it's unnecessary. But for some lib with their head still up their butt, it's a no go.
Just occured to me that I had attributed Andreas Malm's Pipeline book to Vincent Bevins. Embarrassing!
Lmao I didn't even notice at the time, my brain autocorrected to Jakarta Method.
I vaguely remember the two book clubs may have been happening around the same time or smth like that
Lol, yeah we'll go with that.😅
Idk, he did?
Sure, but so what. So are lots of other people. Sucks that this was sparked and encouraged by Western NGO's, though.
We aren't stanning many of colour revolution participants here, if you didn't noticed.
Think about exactly what you're saying again? The west is literally trying to Ukrainize Georgia. Participating in a foreign country's electoral processes (foreign interference) to agitate for the country to effectively destroy itself for the US MIC/to maintain western hegemony is an utterly shit move no matter how one looks at it..
Alright, okay, but there's a part of me that wonders why we're focusing on Greta Thunberg. This is in News and not The Dunk Tank.
So, do we think that she's intentionally laundering for the MIC to turn Georiga into another active battleground against Russia or is she just another one of the millions of people who get swept up in these types of things and we only care because she's a celebrity?
If you want my opinion? In this context I'd bet it's the former. This is her gig, her livelihood, she has some (probably) genuine opinions but I doubt this is it, and there are a billion other ways she could have parroted her opinion rather than flying over to Georgia for direct meddling.
there is more and more of these pseudo leftist comment giving green lights to all sort of shit because , because "well , I will allow it"
---> A Swedish citizen of the EU is protesting the Democratic Will of the Georgian people , that elected a Anti EU goverment. She is a Swedish Citizen currently fighting literally the "Democratic Will of the georgian People" . You are Also (i strongly assume) not a georgian citizen , so you saying
--->this Is literaly the same thing that Greta is doing !
--> What Job do you have to be able to greenlight "Swedish People" trying to overturn the Democratic Election of Georgia ?
The more rightwing government is against the further encroachment of the EU and NATO.
The opposition wants to cut all ties with Russia (biggest trading partner), China and become a US lapdog. Seems like "left" is doing a lot of lifting there.
sheer balls to parachute in from rich euro country and to participate in protests over elections in poor country to be gobbled up by capital is wild.
At least orwell observed some fascists eliminations.
(Not that the party that has won has some redeeming qualities, tbh, just local capital vs comprador capital)
Bro we all know Russia sucks, but the current alternative for those countries sucks A LOT more.
Look at what became of Ukraine after Euromaidan.
Where exactly is Russia not a "friend" of the left (outside of its domestic policies and social reactionaryism)?
In resisting the western dominated world order, by necessity Russia is one of the more actively anti-imperialist states out there, for starters.
Their championing the cause of de-dollarization (again, by necessity) and assisting in uplifting/working together with the global south to develop their material conditions (developing the nuclear power plant in Burkina Faso for instance) are also absolutely amazing.
There's no excuse for their domestic reactionaryism, but in almost every aspect otherwise and outside their borders they are a friend- a circumstantial friend, perhaps, and one to be approached with some skepticism- but a friend all th same IMO.
Russia is not a friend of the left, but our interests are often aligned. We still need to be wary nevertheless.
There are no friends in geopolitics, only mutual interests