So just 4 days ago we had huge thread about how great she is because she criticized US imperialism and immediately after that she's actively participating in the same imperialism. Also her position on Ukraine remains afaik unchanged, still supporting that fascist and ecocidal imperial puppet. How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?
This seems very on brand for her tbh, did people really think she went full Marxist Leninst because she mentioned imperialism a few times?
Maybe not full ML but at least solidly antiimperialist, yes.
Nah. Lots of liberals like using words like imperialism and will call Russia imperialist. There's a liberal anti-warism that's for Ukraine, for Palestine but also regularly duped into supporting color revolutions like Hong Kong and calling Chinese efforts to prevent color revolutions "imperialism" because they live in this moment to moment vacuum devoid of historical context or understanding of material and historical forces.
there is a commonly used liberal definition of imperialism which is "when big country invades (or meddles in, or even just makes deals with) smaller country"
this is why Chinese political memes are so much better than western ones.
Yet I'm too dumb to understand them. How do you read this?
Edit: took me long enough but I understood. "Supports" is not about the countries but people supporting countries
The core of international geopolitics is that LGBTQ+ people have to suffer apparently (no, not talking about palestine)
I have zero emotional attachment to her, but I also recognize that not an insignificant number of people look to her, especially the budding political activists of her generation, as a kind of benchmark for the rare genuine politically-aware activist that sometimes gets the limelight. She is influential in that respect. It's similarly why so many chuds and now libs hate her. I want her to get it right because I want those who look to her to get it right too. But if people in this thread really are getting too attached, then I agree that's not a good thing.
How it is even possible to reconcile, is she two different people or what?
I bet she would call the Belt and Road Initiative "Chinese Imperialism" if asked. This are the typical contradictions of someone who realizes that capitalism and America are bad, but hasn't fully recognized what that means.
She needs to read Lenin.
She is trying to be good, but misses A LOT of stuff. Still good for her age, at least 99% of people would have turned into complete grifters if they were in her shoes.
Also, it is really hard to see evil from within, we all at least slightly empathize with our own region even if it isn't deserved.
Absolutely, at 21 I was an insufferable gamer lib, she’s in a much better spot
Damn, I was such a lib until like 25. Against the Iraq war and other CLEAR stupidity, but a lib on all the less directly obvious stuff.
"Alright Greta, you've built up enough of a legitimate image with the Palestine stuff, time to get back to work"
yeah I had it backwards, the good stuff she was doing was to build her image with us, now she's burning it down for her puppeteers
You guys are all blaming this on her being young but have you considered: she's Northern European.
There are a lot of people that think like this. I don't know why people are surprised. My friend dated a Georgian woman who is very left wing in the states and Palestine, but supports these protests, supports Ukraine. She just doesn't like Putin.
left-wing Georgian here.
I don't understand how a "left-wing" person could support these protests. The people behind them are Zionists and people who want to coup the government to estabilish a far-right U.S. puppet, as they did in 2004. And they'd gladly start another war, just like in 2008, except we won't survive this time.
The only kind of "leftist" that would support these kinds of protests is the kind of "leftist" that is really into Scandinavian "socialism" and thinks the EU is somehow "progressive".
nobody likes Putin, we just know that the United States isn't in the business of solving our problems
Like not liking Saddam, but knowing the invasion of Iraq would only make it worse?
The man is a cretinous piece of shit, but he's not a cartoonish supervillain looking to discover the lost city of Cobra-La to unleash the Snake People on the world of Man
Calling for World War III is unwarranted
...So what you're saying is that Cobra-La is entirely undefended and ripe for the taking? I'm off!
I'm not very surprised, i still remembered that part about Ukraine, posting that as informational if someone forgot because of that thread.
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This is, essentially, a liberal position.
Amen. It is a very ignorant position, too. Considering the amount of "slava untini" sprayed at Gaza walls.
There are a lot of Ukrainians that support Palestine as well (probably for numerous reasons, solidarity and possibly antisemitism). People see each other being bombed and sympathize with each other.
Bombing Donetsk in 2016 this is just like the Palestinian resistance
There are a lot of people like that in the US. “Left-wing” in America but conservative to far-right in their home countries. Reminds me of an English woman living in the US who was a big Bernie supporter and favorable towards the Greens, but hated Jeremy Corbyn and supported the LibDems in the UK.
Well, she is 21. That's just not a lot of time to shake out all your brainworms. And often people go down one path for a while before realizing it's connected to something else and it's a while before they start to see the shape of the maze. Took me til... 26? 27? To fully break free from my USian programming and that was more the start of a journey than the end of one.
Hopefully she'll do better than I will but she's too young to write off yet. If she keeps on this she'll figure out that climate change, Palestine, proxy wars, all of it leads back to DC, and behind DC is fascism. If we're lucky she'll even drag other people along while she does it.
I'll also say; Palestine is a much easier issue to understand the large scale dynamics of than weird parliamentary politics in other countries. Really grokking what's happening in Ukraine requires a great deal of historical background of the 20th century, plus digging all the way back through the post USSR history of Russia, Ukraine, Putin, Shock Doctrine, the OUN-B, all of it.
Hopefully she'll get better on these things.
Do not underestimate the westerners' ability to compartmentalise this stuff.
I feel bad for her because of the pressure that is put on her at a young age.
for real. at 21 my takes were so hot they would have ignited the atmosphere and killed all life on the planet, if
- there had been twitter
- anyone gave a shit what I thought
I get these Facebook "memories" stuff from time to time, and it's really cringy
Word. She's been right under the media's guns for a long time now.
Same.
She's been walking down the line of getting rid of brainworms decades faster than I ever did. Most of us were libs once, I often still am if I'm not conscious about things.
Maybe I am giving her more grace as a fellow neurospicy, but she has consistently followed through when actually learning more. Give her time.
It's also not easy to not be lib about this stuff somewhere like Sweden, the position isn't only hegemonic, it's all there is. Even in "left" spaces.
She's supports Ukraine because she blames Russia for the invasion and the ecocide.
She needs to be educated on the Maidan Coup and the US / UK fostering Nazis and Banderites there. What they did to their own people - bombing, murdering, erasing them for resisting fascism.
My guess is that she is still surrounded by the same people that started her foray into the public eye. They are a bunch of euro socdems that are good on some issues but horrible on most, especially when it comes to countries that are enemies of the USA/West (Russia, China, DPRK, Iran etc...) Until I see her appear with someone like Prashad, I'm not gonna see her as some serious political figure.
This is the point when i start to seriously doubt her, because Ukraine comitted:
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Ecocide along the front lines, by mass usage of depleted uranium and cluster mines
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Another one by blowing up the Kakhovka dam
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Officially a huge one by blowing up Nordstream, and you cannot even blame this on war (ofc we all know USA did it, but she probably should believe official version? i don't remember if she ever commented on that)
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Potentially a nuclear ecocide when they bombed Zaporozhia plant several times. They planned to capture Kursk nuclear plant, and called for nuclear strikes on Russia.
So even without all the context of nazism and imperialism and taking on a flat value she should at least bothside the war from ecological point of view but she isn't, she's supporting the side which does way more ecological destruction. And added context don't work for Ukraine side also.
They will say they did all of those things in self defense as Russia invaded.
Especially blowing up Nordstream 5 months before Russian intervention, and we all know they love nuclear "self-defence" ecocides like in Japan or Bikini atoll or nearly in Zaporozhia but what does this have to do with reality?
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There is a lot of environmental destruction brought with war and a very large chunk of Ukraine won't be usable for a long time.
popular perception of stalin and the USSR?
also hows the food
Is it a good place to visit? What would be the most interesting things to do?
As I said in that thread (third most controversial comment smfh), her statement has wiggle room for lesser evilism. She pretty much said that Trump is worse than Harris and that this election is the most important election of our time. What is that but lesser evilism?
Accelerationist Greta wants to quicken the downfall of the US empire smh
FUCK BRIAN KEMP, GET HIS ASS 
