I hate that they always conflate logic, which is just truth preserving, with capital-T truths. Like yes, if you can control the definitions of all these words, and pretend the empirical input is on your side, then sure, you can come up with a consistent set of statements that support your beliefs. Congrats.
"I've found something logically consistent, this supersedes all other logic!". It doesn't really have to be said that these people are always without exception incredible narcissists. I wish this shit was taught in schools. Things have to be logical as a fucking minimum standard. Being able to appraise that logic with critical thinking and analysis is the key.
As someone who is extremely rational and unemotional, let me tell you that being like that sucks. It's like living life outside a window. It's not a point of pride, at all.
And these chuds are just classic examples of garbage in, garbage out. Yes, if your premises start skewed, and you're unable to recognize that you even might be biased, you're gonna come to some pretty ironclad (wrong) conclusions.
Another bad sign is that they think they can apply their "logic" to every situation. I absolutely am aware I can't, so I try very hard to not engage with subjects I'm unfamiliar with.
Maybe, hopefully, a link to the study is in the article linked to in the replies, I admit to not having read it yet.
But I remember coming across this study showing that people (and iirc there was a gender disparity that was noted) who self identified as "logical" were actually worse at solving logic problems than those who weren't.
And the hypothesis given was that if someone thinks they're logical, they're not going to challenge their innate biases, they're just going to simply deny they even have them.
Their identity is too invested in being logical that they'll refuse to admit when they're behaving illogically.
I've tried searching for the study again, but I keep coming up empty handed.
Which is why there's a big difference between people who strive hard to recognize and correct when they're behaving illogically, and people who simply claim to be logical.
I try hard to be as logical as possible, but that's because I'm inherently an anxious, sometimes paranoid, mess, who can't really rely on quick intuitive thinking for very long until things go haywire, so I often have to step back and try to be as objective as possible.
I bristle when people label me as logical. I'm most certainly not, I just try (and regularly fail) to recognize when I'm acting illogically, then try to fix it.
I mentioned this phenomenon a couple months ago in a comment ranting against Elon Musk stans and nerd culture in general, since it engenders an entirely unwarranted and uncritical self-righteousness where moral correctness (the source of most self-righteousness) has been substituted for "logical correctness", regardless of any actual logical processes.
Nerds think they're automatically right because culture told them they're smart, basically, and this completely blinds them to their faults.
I found this out firsthand, long ago, when interacting with other "logical" people.
And, of course, when I openly admitted my faults, I was dogpiled on, because it wasn't about a dynamic process for them. It was about a fixed identity.
Nothing bothers me more than people - always men - who drop "rationally," "logically," etc. It is so tiresome.
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I hate that they always conflate logic, which is just truth preserving, with capital-T truths. Like yes, if you can control the definitions of all these words, and pretend the empirical input is on your side, then sure, you can come up with a consistent set of statements that support your beliefs. Congrats.
"I've found something logically consistent, this supersedes all other logic!". It doesn't really have to be said that these people are always without exception incredible narcissists. I wish this shit was taught in schools. Things have to be logical as a fucking minimum standard. Being able to appraise that logic with critical thinking and analysis is the key.
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No, because you actually know what those words mean.
Same. I felt vindicated when this article came out, lol.
This is exactly what I mean, thank you for sharing
As someone who is extremely rational and unemotional, let me tell you that being like that sucks. It's like living life outside a window. It's not a point of pride, at all.
And these chuds are just classic examples of garbage in, garbage out. Yes, if your premises start skewed, and you're unable to recognize that you even might be biased, you're gonna come to some pretty ironclad (wrong) conclusions.
Another bad sign is that they think they can apply their "logic" to every situation. I absolutely am aware I can't, so I try very hard to not engage with subjects I'm unfamiliar with.
Maybe, hopefully, a link to the study is in the article linked to in the replies, I admit to not having read it yet.
But I remember coming across this study showing that people (and iirc there was a gender disparity that was noted) who self identified as "logical" were actually worse at solving logic problems than those who weren't.
And the hypothesis given was that if someone thinks they're logical, they're not going to challenge their innate biases, they're just going to simply deny they even have them.
Their identity is too invested in being logical that they'll refuse to admit when they're behaving illogically.
I've tried searching for the study again, but I keep coming up empty handed.
Which is why there's a big difference between people who strive hard to recognize and correct when they're behaving illogically, and people who simply claim to be logical.
I try hard to be as logical as possible, but that's because I'm inherently an anxious, sometimes paranoid, mess, who can't really rely on quick intuitive thinking for very long until things go haywire, so I often have to step back and try to be as objective as possible.
I bristle when people label me as logical. I'm most certainly not, I just try (and regularly fail) to recognize when I'm acting illogically, then try to fix it.
I mentioned this phenomenon a couple months ago in a comment ranting against Elon Musk stans and nerd culture in general, since it engenders an entirely unwarranted and uncritical self-righteousness where moral correctness (the source of most self-righteousness) has been substituted for "logical correctness", regardless of any actual logical processes.
Nerds think they're automatically right because culture told them they're smart, basically, and this completely blinds them to their faults.
I found this out firsthand, long ago, when interacting with other "logical" people.
And, of course, when I openly admitted my faults, I was dogpiled on, because it wasn't about a dynamic process for them. It was about a fixed identity.