Hey, everyone. Hope this post finds you all well! A few days ago, PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS opened a comm request thread to name the community formerly known as The Dredge Tank. Now that it's been about 4 days and the votes seem pretty steady, we're rea-
"STOP THE COUNT!!!"
"Mr. President, she's talking."
As I was saying, we're ready to call the vote. Nobody's been happy with counterpropaganda, and we've heard you loud and clear. I'm excited to announce that Slop. is now open for all the posts you'd have previously posted to The Dredge Tank.
El Chisme continues to remain the new space for posts that would have been at home in The Dunk Tank.
In case anyone's confused about this, I'm gonna give a really quick explanation so everyone's on the same page with what's going on with the Tanks. The names of The Dunk Tank and The Dredge Tank have racist origins. The moderators of those communities agreed that the names of these communities should be changed. Unfortunately, while Lemmy allows the display names of communities to be changed, it does not currently allow the actual comm names to be changed. In order to change the names of these communities, we would have to shut them down and re-open new comms under new names. The mods of the dunk tank and dredge tank requested the name c/gossip. While there are some legitimate arguments being made relating to misogynistic societal perceptions of that word, the mods include women and enbies who disagree and specifically requested this name. I feel that this situation parallels the initial pushback that was experienced with disabled in which users voiced concerns that this name could be ableist, but the moderators of that community are themselves disabled and specifically requested that comm name, verbatim. Along with this name change, the mods felt that slightly expanding the scope of the community and simultaneously lowering the bar for the previous Rule 8 would allow users to post about more minor public figures as well as more major ones. This was seen as an expansion of the community's role, allowing posts to the new Dredge Tank replacement (counterpropaganda) to become a little more focused. We communicated this poorly, but the intention was to have users offer a sentence or two countering the reactionary take shown in the screenshot. Given how things spiraled from there, we've taken a step back from changing any of the rules during the switchover from The Dredge tank to Slop. We're trying to take time to let everyone breathe without changing too many things too quickly, but we also want to actually make sure people can get back to posting. Hopefully you're all okay with this pacing, lemme know below.
EDIT: thanks to @niph@hexbear.net for pointing out that this post didn't include the descriptions of the comms.
Where am I supposed to post...?
Slop is for what the old dredge_tank was like. Roast anonymous reactionaries to your heart's content!
Gossip for an informal discussion regarding people with power / notable / tools of power
Counterprop for a formalized discussion regarding reactionary people no matter how powerful/notable.
In upcoming admin updates:
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I'll post some analysis of mistakes and missteps that were made in recent days, including some of the context that led up to those errors.
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I'll offer a clearer and more complete explanation and description of the ongoing site culture issues that have been previously mentioned. These were poorly communicated before, but I'll do my best to explain both the issues at hand as well as the importance of dealing with them.
The last few days have been really confusing and frustrating for a lot of people and a lot has happened. This is not an appropriate place to reopen, re-litigate, or rehash the struggle session. I will not be debating either the struggle session or the subjects of the upcoming admin update posts here. Please refrain from doing so as well.
"Folks, we're feeding the fish their slop, they're tremendously hungry, incredibly famished. And look: I get to feed them. They say: Mr President, please feed the koi fish, its din din time, and it is! I get to do the little shaka-shaka with the can, and they're happy, they're eating -they're eating- out of the palm of my hand, and they're getting so big and so strong. Look at all these koi fish! I bet they won't have any issues finding -finding- a special someone. And it's wonderful, it's great. Greydon Carter could never be a tremendously effective keeper of fish. His party is not so hot, and all of his betta fishes are dying! But Lyudmila's letting me feed them, and I'm doing a tremendously great job, and a looot better than what Sleepy Joe would do!"
"gossip" is a bad name. misogynistic overtones aside, it's just a terrible name. surely, we can think of something better.
Honestly, the main reason why I don't like /c/gossip is because the gossipers and the gossipee have to be socially connected. The information passed on between the two gossipers is also supposed to be relatively unknown.
If I'm talking shit about our shitty boss with a fellow coworker, that's gossip.
If I'm talking shit about a professor with a fellow classmate who has never met the professor before, that counts as gossip if the classmate has a good chance of taking a course taught by the professor.
If I'm talking shit about Elon Musk with a fellow shitposter, that's just talking shit about a random (famous) person. That isn't gossip.
To me, /c/gossip sounds more like a drama comm for current struggle sessions or infighting between lemmy instances. So, the entire 4(?) day struggle session or the 1000+ brigadeTM of some random lemm.ee post would fit right in. "Spill the tea, sis" doesn't apply to famous people because they're, well, famous.
It just doesn’t do a good job of describing the intended content of the comm. “Gossip” generally means interesting stories about celebrities’ lives, and isn’t really precise enough imo. Having a comm called “gossip” that is entirely full of dunks would probably contribute to the perception of a toxic site culture rather than detract.
Ohhhh, they meant "celebrity gossip" instead of normal gossip. They should just call it celebrity_gossip or something. The name would be less confusing.
But even then celebrity gossip is like "Is this royal pregnant??
" and not "Elon Musk is a union-busting fascist!!"
I want to say the frivolous, tabloid type celebrity gossip wasn't always the norm but now I'm doubting whether or not I'm remembering correctly.
I mean it certainly was for duration of my life. Princess Diane, Michael Jackson, Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan, Michael Schumacher etc. all had these really intrusive and disgusting stories plastered everywhere about them.
that is just leftist flavored gossip, yall are arguing semantics like it doesn't make you misogynist somehow
See, I saw it as an attempt at Hexbear's r/Fauxmoi (who are for some reason extremely pro Palestine for an apolitical celebrity gossip subreddit, not that I'm complaining)
Except when it came to the democratic party and Kamala Harris. Then it's all "vote blue no matter who!", and anyone who called Harris out for being a genocidal monster got hundreds of downvotes.
That place is poisoned by identity politics, and simply used Palestine as their flavour of the month issue to hate on any celeb or politician they disliked.
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Why are you such an asshole?
they were also very heavily anti-depp and got regularly invaded by other subs for it
Oh yeah that's right, they were able to see through Depp's PR campaign unlike the rest of the mainstream internet.
Agreed (and I agree with your comment above as well), another reason why it’s just not a good name.
It was mostly women pushing for the new name in the mod chat. As a dude I'm going to follow Mao's advice and not speak on the subject.
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its not beyond the gender issue, its just fine for the intended content of gathering around comrades to snicker at dumb things. Dude you need to self crit for misogyny
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I'll take your fucking seat