Twitch declares that “Zionist” is a slur, will issue bans for criticizing “individuals” based on their “religious beliefs or background” (genocide, settler colonialism)

https://archive.ph/qwX4r

Implications for leftist streamers like HasanAbi

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potentially establishing precedents for mass removal and censorship of anti-genocide organizing and education on other major social media platforms

[News mega comment thread: https://hexbear.net/comment/5640369]

  • Frank [he/him, he/him]
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    2 hours ago

    Slurs are when you correctly identify someone by the name of the political ideology they adhere too.

    • Comrade_Mushroom [comrade/them]
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      47 minutes ago

      Anyway, let's talk about how TOTALITARIAN it is that in China you can't just say the most fucked up shit imaginable on the internet free of consequence.

  • Frogmanfromlake [none/use name]
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    2 hours ago

    A lot of Americans believe that Israel controls the US. Stuff like this feeds into that for the uninformed.

    • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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      1 hour ago

      Which drives up (actual) antisemitism. Which leads to (actual) pogroms. Which leads to American Jews (and others around the world) moving to Israel.

      Aka: all part of the Zionist plan.

      And for any liberal dinguses reading this going "heuh heuh wow look how racist the left is! Heuh heuh!" I'm speaking not about the Jewish Zionists concentrated in Israel, the US and EU. I'm talking about the majority of Zionists... evangelical Christians. Rabid racists who support actions like this from the US state and other Western governments in hopes that it does exactly what I wrote above. They want all the Jews in America to go live in Israel until the rapture happens and they're all sent to Hell or whatever specific fanfic they choose to believe. It serves their goal of making America more of a WASP ethnostate, emptying it of non-Christians that they hate, and feeds their psychotic religious fervor.

      It's actually incredible how many specific things that you can point at that make America suck have been upheld by or caused by evangelicals

  • Lovely_sombrero [he/him]
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    3 hours ago

    I've seen so many people who self-identify as a Zionist (by just openly saying "I'm a Zionist") insist that Zionist is a slur. But then why are you proudly using it to describe yourself!?

  • Evilphd666 [he/him, comrade/them]
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    3 hours ago

    Better to call them what they are Zionazis. Zionsim is not a religion. It is a racist ethno-supremacy fascistic ideology. It uses the mask of a religion as Hitler did with the Swastika to shield it. People should rebel. The entity is lashing out in desperation.

  • Chronicon [comrade/them]
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    3 hours ago

    it all depends on the implementation tbh. At best this'll be tone policing of antizionists that would never be applied to islamophobes, but at worst it could be as you say, justification for mass censorship of anti-zionist content

    I don't think it'll just stop at censoring people using "zionist pigs" as an insult (which isn't antisemitic to begin with ofc), it'll probably go further because the people that cajoled twitch into making this change in the first place will keep pushing those same buttons (threatening advertisers with smear campaigns) again and again, but there must be limits to how far they can be pushed

  • GnastyGnuts [he/him]
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    5 hours ago

    So fuck twitch (and streaming in general tbh) but it seems like an easy workaround is just to call them genocide supporters or settler-colonizers.

  • P1d40n3 [he/him]
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    4 hours ago

    Has the ban hammer already hit Hasan? He's normally live by now.

    • Chronicon [comrade/them]
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      4 hours ago

      he streamed today just a short one since he's streaming basketball on someone elses account tn, I thought the same thing lol

      he talked about it and basically said it sucks and shat on the bad faith of the people and orgs pushing it, but said he'd abide by it and people in his chat using zionist as an insult were probably going to be logged and banned later by twitch

      • Justice@lemmygrad.ml
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        1 hour ago

        That means we're about to get 9/11 part deux

        Every time Hasan takes his shitty little vacations something crazy happened

        He was live for the Trump shooting

        Coincidence? Who can say

    • mkultrawide [any]
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      4 hours ago

      He's in Austin for OTK Gameday. He will probably either be back on in a bit or be on another OTK members stream.

  • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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    5 hours ago

    https://safety.twitch.tv/s/article/An-Update-to-How-We-Enforce-Our-Hateful-Conduct-Policy?language=en_US

    using the term “Zionist” to attack or demean another individual or group of people on the basis of their background or religious belief is against our rules. We recognize that “Zionist” and “Zionism” also refer to a political movement. Using the term to refer to the political movement, whether in a supportive or critical way, does not violate our Hateful Conduct policy.

    The way it's written suggests they intend to use it to go after antisemites who use zionist to mean jew, but the total opaqueness of twitch moderation and the context of the ADL trying to silence antizionists on twitch makes me think they're going to go after anyone who doesn't support the genocide in gaza, namely Hasan instead.

    Actually they're certainly going to do both, but mostly the latter, given how integral the settler colonial project is to Israeli identity.

    We prohibit the use of terms that may not be harmful or abusive in isolation, but can be used as a slur or to denigrate others in certain contexts. Similar to other terms that may be used as a proxy for a protected group, we treat “Zionists” as a proxy for Jews or Israelis if the word is used in a context to promote harm or violence, or when used to make dehumanizing comparisons or perpetuate antisemitic stereotypes. Comments regarding Zionism that are about the political movement, including criticisms, do not violate our Hateful Conduct Policy. Comments that call for violence against Zionism as a political movement, or comments that would otherwise violate our policies, are not allowed.

    Prohibited example: Zionist [name of animal].

    Allowed example: Zionist settlers keep encroaching Palestinian borders.

    • uherbs [none/use name]
      hexagon
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      5 hours ago

      I agree, it’s a recuperation of liberal anti hate-speech rhetoric to buttress collapsing public support for imperialism and genocide. Maddening open hypocrisy that they’re citing anti-semitism while platforming and algorithmically promoting Nazis and other fascists as the top twitch streamers (with the exception of Hassan).

    • sewer_rat_420 [he/him, any]
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      4 hours ago

      So does this mean if I have a Pro-Israel account and I say "Zionist Dove" or some shit I can be banned as well?

      Is it allowed to say "Zionism, the ideology, should be punishable by death"

      • alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml
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        4 hours ago

        So does this mean if I have a Pro-Israel account and I say “Zionist Dove” or some shit I can be banned as well?

        Probably not.

        Is it allowed to say “Zionism, the ideology, should be punishable by death”

        When twitch bans you, they tell you what rule you broke, but they don't tell you how it was broken or when. So in practice, you would never be able to say "I was banned for saying X which isn't against the rules".

  • Coolkidbozzy [he/him]
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    5 hours ago

    in amerikkka settler colonists are a protected class

    people will just start calling them genocidal apartheid-supporters instead

    or maybe fascist isn't a slur yet

    • Awoo [she/her]
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      5 hours ago

      I sent support a demand to delete my account and any historic personal data made it very clear why I want it gone

  • miz [any, any]
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    4 hours ago

    death to america, death to the zionist entity, death to kkkrackadom

  • Alisu [they/them]
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    3 hours ago

    We'll call them nazionists, totally different thing and unrelated to isn'treal