The most committed WTO type neoliberal want to see the total destruction of the nation state as an institution collapse. To compare that to fascism, an ideology centered around ethnic identity is moronic.
Saying that liberals are the same as fascists is just as bad of a take as saying leftists are the same as fascists because they both support the violent overthrow of elected governments to advance their political project.
Two ideologies sharing political or economic tactics doesn't make them the same thing at all. Calling them the same thing is a big part of why the left has failed to succeed in the current political era both from Corbyn to Bernie.
noo guys my apartheid police state is totally different guys nooo see im a globalist you see i dont think all the minorities bad im super woke shoot them in the legs you guys noo dont call me fascist noo
The US can have fascist tendencies and neoliberal tendencies that are independent of each other, but the people advocating for each of these systems are never going to be the same people. You clearly just want to be angry rather than try and understand your political opponents.
The global left was orders of magnitudes more successful at fighting fascism than it has with neoliberalism (the global left embraced it ffs), so we seriously do need to think in terms that oppose this ideology specifically.
oh yeah, tell me what i want, and how i dont know what im talking about, while you apologia for neoliberals walking lockstep with facists towards right wing oblivion.
noo noo the reason you leftists cant win is because you bernie bros wont acknowledge how different and good the neoliberals are! lumping the fascists together like that is bad, you commie trotskiest syndicalist anarchist corbynites !!
Where did I say neoliberals were good, or better than fascists. I said they were fundimentally different and the way they need to be faught is different, alongside saying that the left has become unreasonably comfortable with aspects of the neoliberal world. If anything I think the broad idea that fascism is a rising thing in the US is nothing other than a distraction from the fact that the neoliberal world order as being the real enemy since it is actually a real threat to the future of human civilization in a way that Trump is not.
Neoliberalism is something that exists outside of the perview of the nation state. It's free trade settlement courts, it's the WTO striking down domestic laws that keep people employed, it's the IMF forcing austerity on a country in order to even exist with their own currency, it's the destruction of agriculture and resource extraction communities in the developing world and the destruction of manufacturing communities in the developed world. It's shipping things all over the world, destroying our environment, just to save a penny.
Fascist ideology is and isn't centered about ethnic identity. To think that mistakes both the wish to destroy others and thus be a superior to others as well as the material base of fascism as its real drivers. That something is part of the core ideas doesn't mean it is a driver. For fascists it doesn't matter that everyone is ethnically the same, they will construct their scape goats anyhow. In the example of Germany they used lingering antisemitism, they used extermination to secure their power, it is about the function of that fascism rotates. It isn't about being "ethnically" unified, it is about exterminating the other.
A key characteristic behind the rise of fascism was the long held desire to make every single member of their nation into their own mini aristocrat of the petite bourgeois. Settler colonialism and fascism are often inexorability linked.
The neoliberal project is a rejection of direct intervention and flashpoint imperialism, the neoliberal version of imperialism is done entirely through legal codes and is accessable not just to the citizenry of a single nation but the entire global bourgeois.
not every bad thing is fascism, but neoliberal ideology is literally fascist ideology.
there is a reason the u.s is currently a fascist state, under neoliberal rule. its because neoliberals are fascists.
The most committed WTO type neoliberal want to see the total destruction of the nation state as an institution collapse. To compare that to fascism, an ideology centered around ethnic identity is moronic.
Saying that liberals are the same as fascists is just as bad of a take as saying leftists are the same as fascists because they both support the violent overthrow of elected governments to advance their political project.
Two ideologies sharing political or economic tactics doesn't make them the same thing at all. Calling them the same thing is a big part of why the left has failed to succeed in the current political era both from Corbyn to Bernie.
noo guys my apartheid police state is totally different guys nooo see im a globalist you see i dont think all the minorities bad im super woke shoot them in the legs you guys noo dont call me fascist noo
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The US can have fascist tendencies and neoliberal tendencies that are independent of each other, but the people advocating for each of these systems are never going to be the same people. You clearly just want to be angry rather than try and understand your political opponents.
The global left was orders of magnitudes more successful at fighting fascism than it has with neoliberalism (the global left embraced it ffs), so we seriously do need to think in terms that oppose this ideology specifically.
oh yeah, tell me what i want, and how i dont know what im talking about, while you apologia for neoliberals walking lockstep with facists towards right wing oblivion.
noo noo the reason you leftists cant win is because you bernie bros wont acknowledge how different and good the neoliberals are! lumping the fascists together like that is bad, you commie trotskiest syndicalist anarchist corbynites !!
fuck off.
Where did I say neoliberals were good, or better than fascists. I said they were fundimentally different and the way they need to be faught is different, alongside saying that the left has become unreasonably comfortable with aspects of the neoliberal world. If anything I think the broad idea that fascism is a rising thing in the US is nothing other than a distraction from the fact that the neoliberal world order as being the real enemy since it is actually a real threat to the future of human civilization in a way that Trump is not.
Neoliberalism is something that exists outside of the perview of the nation state. It's free trade settlement courts, it's the WTO striking down domestic laws that keep people employed, it's the IMF forcing austerity on a country in order to even exist with their own currency, it's the destruction of agriculture and resource extraction communities in the developing world and the destruction of manufacturing communities in the developed world. It's shipping things all over the world, destroying our environment, just to save a penny.
maybe youll get my point better if i add a word:
neoliberalism is globalist fascism.
all the things fascists want on a nation state level, neoliberals want on a global level. they are fascists with an international perspective.
A better question is what do you think fascism is?
the strict control of economic and social function under a centralized governmental structure which suppresses all opposition.
which is literally what neoliberalism is in the international stage.
Fascist ideology is and isn't centered about ethnic identity. To think that mistakes both the wish to destroy others and thus be a superior to others as well as the material base of fascism as its real drivers. That something is part of the core ideas doesn't mean it is a driver. For fascists it doesn't matter that everyone is ethnically the same, they will construct their scape goats anyhow. In the example of Germany they used lingering antisemitism, they used extermination to secure their power, it is about the function of that fascism rotates. It isn't about being "ethnically" unified, it is about exterminating the other.
A key characteristic behind the rise of fascism was the long held desire to make every single member of their nation into their own mini aristocrat of the petite bourgeois. Settler colonialism and fascism are often inexorability linked.
The neoliberal project is a rejection of direct intervention and flashpoint imperialism, the neoliberal version of imperialism is done entirely through legal codes and is accessable not just to the citizenry of a single nation but the entire global bourgeois.
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and in the case of neoliberalism, that other is manifold, usually manifesting as some aspect of the global south, or non-western hegemonic power