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User statement on the demonization of Luigi Mangione
Removed by modno idea why he's being demonized by the mod team as "just a fascist" when he's objectively done one of the coolest things in recent memory for reasons that almost every American resonates with
he's a fascist, sure, but it's cool as hell he killed that CEO and I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't cool
is he a revolutionary hero and communist icon for it? no, shut the fuck up that's not what anyone is trying to say (I'm certainly not saying that)
feel free to ban me if you think killing CEOs isn't cool. I stand by my statement.
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this site has spent the last two days literally re-enacting this tweet and I'm here for it:
The solution to this problem is so ridiculously simple that I don’t even understand why people are quarreling about it:
If you don’t want people to “admire” a politically incoherent dude with some chud tendency who just killed a CEO, then you - the left - should be the one leading the effort. I’m not even talking about killing CEOs, but actually doing something about changing the healthcare situation in the country. Nobody is doing that in America today - this is a fact.
If you are not willing to do be at the forefront to push for change, then it only makes you sound like a sore loser by also trying to stop others (I mean, just look at how the average people are reacting to this) from cheering for someone who is at least - whether you agree with his method or not - trying to do something.
Again, the people who complained about this got the order backwards: dude only got the reaction he got because there is no left in America who is serious about challenging the exploitative healthcare system.
In my overly depressing opinion, it's just the userbase going through the 5 stages of grief, because the CEO assassin turned out to be some normal American guy (and that means incoherent right wing politics, that's normal in the USA from what I can tell) with a personal grudge against the health insurance system from having severe surgery. And not the based communist/anarchist antifa super soldier CEO killer that people projected their desires onto him to be. Even I was fooled by my first viewing of the video of him shooting the CEO, at first I thought it was a professional level hit. Then after a few rewatches, I realised it was just some guy trying to fix his malfunctioning weapon.
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First it was denial (he's not the shooter, look at this image that consists of five blurry pixels that I cropped! His nose and eyebrows are different.)
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Then it was anger (how dare you lionise this chud piece of shit! Look at this social media post from two years ago, he retweeted Elon Musk. He even arse kissed the feds in his manifesto!)
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Now it's at bargaining (the main post we are responding on now, we are here. He killed a CEO, he's based and still our guy despite his right wing political views!)
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Next it'll be depression (this will happen when all the energy fizzles out, like it did with BLM, and nothing changes systemically and there are no copycats, and jury nullification starts to look unlikely).
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Finally it'll be acceptance. (The assassin will end up in jail, healthcare insurance CEO's will hire more security and keep their wearabouts private, people's health insurance premiums will go up and they'll pay them because there is no other choice. )
Again, an overly depressing and dooner outlook. But that seems to be the theme recently.
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but it's cool as hell he killed that CEO and I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't cool
Absolutely no one is saying you can't do that
is he a revolutionary hero and communist icon for it? no, shut the fuck up that's not what anyone is trying to say
Some people were more or less trying to say this, and those people are who the mod statement was directed at.
I feel like a good 90% of the posts I've seen complaining about the mod statement need to learn the concept "not every post I read is addressing me personally."
feel free to ban me if you think killing CEOs isn't cool. I stand by my statement.
"My arm is not long enough for the jerk off motion in my soul right now." -Soren Bowie
Did I miss something? I don't think he's a fascist unless one has a very expansive definition of what makes someone a fascist.
I don't get the need to "claim" him or spend a bunch of energy shitting on him, the guy himself isn't anywhere near as important as the fact that we've now seen this rabid glee at a bougie monster getting got. There are no Great Men, go tell someone about how communism is about killing the CEO factory at its source.
When did people decide he’s a fascist. Seems like your average ideologically incoherent American assassin to me, with more techbro flavour.
He was interested in the fascist/fash-adjacent areas of the techbrosphere, so it is our responsibility as consistent Marxist-Leninists to denounce him and his adventurism. Failure to do so is evidence of a petit-bourgeois kkkrakkker mentality.
The guy has dumbass politics but frankly that's unimportant and even secondary.
What's important is the public's reaction to his actions. Individualism is usually a stupid thing because it ultimately doesn't really have a structural impact on anything. But again, the main story in this assassination is not even the assassination per se, it's how people are reacting to it. You don't need to embrace Luigi or his politics (in fact, you should not). What you DO need to do, however, is claim the action itself as a righteous, leftist action. Make the right defend this overwhelmingly unpopular piece of shit CEO and healthcare industry. This is a moment of mass class consciousness and solidarity - an extremely rare one in America. The left would be idiotic not to capitalize on it.
Individualism is usually a stupid thing because it ultimately doesn't really have a structural impact on anything.
So how is the Austro-Hungarian empire doing these days?
I agree 100% on the rest of your comment, but I also believe that individual actions can be the catalyst for structural change, and I hope we see that happen in this instance. Collectivism is the culmination of all the individuals acting, but it has to start somewhere.
to be fair, iirc the region was primed for conflict with a bunch of smaller conflicts having previous happened - but i understand you, a spark in a room filled with gas can set off greater things
though how it goes depends how well organised the factions are within the general populace at the moment of the spark if they are fascists, communists, or anarchists
also pretty much agree with you
demonized by the mod team as "just a fascist"
This is not what we said.
but it's cool as hell he killed that CEO and I'm not going to pretend that it wasn't cool
Nobody said otherwise
is he a revolutionary hero and communist icon for it? no, shut the fuck up that's not what anyone is trying to say (I'm certainly not saying that)
Nobody accused you of doing this. A handful of posts which you probably didn't even see because they got removed are what prompted us to say something.
no idea why he's being demonized by the mod team as "just a fascist"
he's a fascist, sure
'tis a mystery- Show
This was ‘22 I believe but he was at least a chud at that point
lol because of a retweet that doesn't even say anything explicitly fascist? From 2 years ago?
Also his review of ted k's manifesto I think directly contradicts what is said in this screenshot.
Whew people will call anyone a fascist these days lmao.
Quick 2 cents: I have critical support for the guy and his actions. Art from the artist and all that. But one thing that irked me I saw is some comrades all but saying it's impossible for people to change in the span of 2 years (his last tweets were in 2022) and hearing that makes me a bit scared for myself because I used to be a reactionary. I don't talk about it that often but I've made it known in discussions that I was heading down the path to being a fascist until I changed in 2017 (life events). So I'd implore people to maybe be more open to people changing. After all isn't that what reeducation is? We can't just kill everyone out there with bad takes.
I am forever indebted to my marginalized friends who pointed out my shitty approach to politics early on (20-21), from there it was the simple Bernie -> Bernie is a sellout -> Bernie isn’t going far enough pipeline
Yeah by 2020 I was already fully into leftism and was big into Bernie too and used to post on the old chapo sub on reddit.
You don't want to know how stupid my politics were at 26
My friend's mom also gets me Mao shit every time she comes back from China, because her DIL is a HK Lib and won't let her read red book to baby.
I've recommended she sue for grandparents rights.
I was the same age 26 and making antisemitic jokes and blaming "The Jews" for everyone's problems. I had /pol/brain, I was literally a Chudjak, I was that guy we all hate around here. So yeah, kind of hard to top that when it comes to having bad politics. But I think there's a nugget of truth in saying that's just how every american is, I think we're going to need some proper actual like education first for the masses then we can start chipping away at reeducating people to being decent in the imperial core.
feel free to ban me if you think killing CEOs isn't cool. I stand by my statement.
As all Marxists know, your actions don't matter—it's what you believe in your heart of hearts that makes you a true Communist.
feel free to ban me if you think killing CEOs isn't cool
Big “loser says what” energy. Good to know we’re operating at about a 3rd grade level.
Hexbears will be like "critical support for the adjuster" and then refuse to allow any criticism of him at all.
