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  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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    no one's invented the "communism" button yet, and Marx himself just critiqued capitalism... if only to reveal contradictions that must be addressed and utilized in a less exploitative & socially deleterious manner

    "productive forces" have to be utilized and improved and turned toward social ends. firms have to be organized & workers have to be engaged in production

    if you don't think the "mass line" & nationalization of large industries just this year are tantamount to an actual full-on display of the power of "labor theory of value", you're losing the thread imo

    https://www.ft.com/content/22108ddd-3280-4013-bcd8-1adc9e6ae13d PRC just reported 4.9% growth yesterday, their consumer spending is returning. And yet, we will only see losses in any other major capitalist country. India shrank something like 30% in the 2nd quarter, that's devastating.

    China still leads the world in manufacturing output, the raw numbers of comparative global economic activity & dynamism make this clear

      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        i'm just not going to try to blame the CPC for the West's failure to socially address economic issues

        Did PRC socially address this year's economic downturn or nah?

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          4 years ago

          So that's a yes.

          Screw off capitalist.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            anti-capitalism is easy, but how would you suggest one build a civilization without first examining and utilizing the tools we have?

            western liberal democracy created catastrophic horrifying nuclear weapons technology using state capitalism, does that mean USSR and communists should've planted flowers in missile silos?

            material circumstances require tempered material responses, not wishful thinking & ... what else are you suggesting again?

            i didn't say that Deng Xiaoping was right, I said that CPC is doing the thing right now to weather this year's material circumstances using anti-capitalist measures

            but again

            state capitalism and this discussion we're having right now is literally the primary stage of socialism

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              state capitalism and this discussion we’re having right now is literally the primary stage of socialism

              If you're a lying piece of shit who wants to betray a revolution it also works really well. I don't know which Deng Xiaoping was, most likely the former, but his shortcut means China is capitalist now.

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                  Which stage is this?

                  https://www.nst.com.my/world/world/2020/10/633787/chinas-super-rich-got-15-trillion-richer-during-pandemic

                  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                    This is the Kuala Lumpur paper? Lol, I wonder if they have an ideological bias or have ever been involved in political bias scandals

                    At any rate, here's what that article says about PRC "the country is on track to become the only major economy to expand this year, according to the International Monetary Fund.... The urban jobless rate inched down to 5.4 percent in September"

                    I wonder what the US' jobless rate is atm.

                    Basically all I am seeing is that the communists are better at developing past the conventions of capitalism, especially considering how no other capitalist economy is doing so hot...

                    or maybe the Chinese billionaires were just creating racism in America, and that's where all that money went

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/economist-found-2416-trillion-when-she-tallied-cost-of-racial-bias/ar-BB1acPA7