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  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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    No, that's the thing, Hui muslims are also involved in criminal actions and stoking seditionist sentiment

    You want Daesh in PRC? pretty weird ngl

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      You want Daesh in PRC? pretty weird ngl

      Yes, and I want it here too obviously. That's why I'm not demanding Ilhan Omar be sent to a camp.

      I just love terrorism.

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        education & economic development are not law enforcement issues in the same way as the United States’ War on Drugs & racist for-profit prison industry.

        you can parse the lasting social benefits & fundamental uplifting aim of one over the other, i am sure of this.

        https://www.sbs.com.au/news/china-releases-video-of-uighur-musician-disputing-reported-death

        the way news & sensationalism & outright lies blend so perfectly into jingoism can’t be ignored. none of us are immune to propaganda, but I think we can comb through most of these claims about PRC and find very little real or irrefutable evidence.

        • anthm17 [he/him]
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          education & economic development are not law enforcement issues in the same way as the United States’ War on Drugs & racist for-profit prison industry.

          Except you just implied it's part of counter-terror efforts.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            yes, people who have access to gainful employment and are able to socially advance within society are far less likely to become violent seditionists, wouldn't you agree?

            poverty is endemic to these regions, but the knife attacks coincide with the rise of CIA backed fundamentalist Salafism.

            • anthm17 [he/him]
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              yes, people who have access to gainful employment and are able to socially advance within society are far less likely to become violent seditionists

              Sure.

              Now do it while respecting human rights.

              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                yes, giving people gainful employment and education and opportunities for advancement is literally guaranteeing autonomy & self-reliance & engendering human rights

                • anthm17 [he/him]
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                  Giving?

                  So these are all volunteers?

                  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                    Yes

                    "According to the official Chinese version, during the past three years voluntary education has been imparted to the Muslim population of Xinjiang so that their extremist tendencies may be rectified."

                    • anthm17 [he/him]
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                      According to the official Chinese version

                      According to the state the state didn't do bad things.

                      You can always trust the state.

                      • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                        Well, you posted New Strait Times... so you must trust them, right?

                        https://www.nst.com.my/news/nation/2019/08/512399/uyghurs-freely-join-re-education-camps

                        • anthm17 [he/him]
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                          hmm https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/nov/24/china-cables-leak-no-escapes-reality-china-uighur-prison-camp

                          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                            weird, that article you sent says

                            “The purpose [of the camp network] was to try to indoctrinate and change an entire population by channeling them through this dedicated system,” said Adrian Zenz, a leading researcher into the Xinjiang internment camps, who is senior fellow in China studies at the victims of communism foundation"

                            So you take that Guardian's interpretation of Zenz' lies as fact huh?

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                              No, but it's hard to find a publication that put out the leaks without referencing that anti-communist wacko.

                              Doesn't change the contents of the leaks.

                              • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                                yes, if these speculations contain positive references to Zenz in any way, then they are suspect

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                                  The news is the leaks not the biased presentation.

                                  • volkvulture [none/use name]
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                                    Have you seen the provenance of these supposed "leaks"? Because, without actual verification of that information, it's just badly written Chinese script on paper.

                                    Have you seen actual footage inside the schools?

                                    Have you seen any physical evidence to suggest that people are being abused or culturally genocided or killed by PRC?

                                    Because I don't think you've seen anything of that nature, you just take Adrian Zenz' sensationalism & anti-communism as unquestionable

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        and yes, US has racist extrajudicial Muslim torture camps LOL... I wonder wtf you're actually standing up for here?

        • anthm17 [he/him]
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          Obviously we just need more of that.

          I wonder wtf you’re actually standing up for here?

          Does it help to point that I'm

          1. not a nationalist
          2. not even an American, I just live here.

          In other words I'm not standing up for anything except people I think deserve it.

          • volkvulture [none/use name]
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            sounds like you just need cope because USA is melting down and PRC is actually holding together and improving the lot of their people using ideologies & economic models that defy Western imperialism

            you can try and harp on unsupported & biased Western propaganda on PRC. I will wait for actual evidence