*advancing her career
https://bsky.app/profile/aoc.bsky.social/post/3ldhxclo4wk2c
This is about AOC losing her bid for the Oversight committee to a geriatric Dem lifer. Sure she has systematically shredded any last bit of credibility with her triangulation, but hey, at least all the 5D polítical chess is paying off! She's changing the system from the inside! It's working this time!
Girl, you abandoned any pretense of doing working-class mass politics when you decided to do insider politics! Why are you tweeting like Bernie Sanders circa 2012? There's no we! There's no mass movement behind you! It's just NYC DSA and some Warren libs (but I repeat myself)
Telling on yourself lol. Good thing I don't want hateful murderers to like me
And you have much more productive things to do than argue with leftists online about how we should be nicer to AOC, yet here you are. Why is it that your criteria for "better targets" only goes one way? Why do you think this is acceptable, when you have far shittier sites to visit and far worse people to argue with, but our critique of
is somehow... wrong? In some way I can't even grasp.
Yes, your critique of AOC is wrong, essentially because its not based on reality. but hey. who am I to tell you what reality is. you do you. =)
"Not based on reality" in that I am pointing to actual things she has done, and your defensive is based in reality in that you can't mention anything she's done? Great stuff.
Yes, things you think shes done. I understand why you think that, you're a idealist. your ideals are flawed but I get it. I've also pointed out the literal things she done that point to that she doesn't support the positions you assert she does. she literally voted against aid for israel and then voted for aid that helped the ukraine and taiwan and israel. those are two very different situations. she absolutely critiqued biden for his border policies. policies she can't change.
Thats living in reality, understanding why she did things. just saying 'OH NO SHE VOTED FOR A BILL WITH AID TO ISRAEL!!! SHE BAD' isnt. its not recognizing the context shes operating in. instead of going after literally the 400 other people who did the exact same thing you're wasting breath on one of the few people in congress who stands for literally 80% of what you want. worker owned production, better social systems, etc.
If you can't recognize that well thats a you problem. Notice how you guys are stuck here on your little island shes out there bringing the ideas you supposedly want to the masses in a nice package and you're pissed over compromise bills and lack of pointless agitation? I mean fuck child, you have so many other people to be upset about and you focus the purity tests on the only one remotely in your sphere? lol. no wonder you cant accomplish anything.
Let the girl do her thing in peace. go shoot some ceos or something.
Liberals will say "shooting a CEO pales in comparison to my strategy: Winning an election" and then not win an election
This is hilarious
I don't think the word means what you think it means. Me being an idealist would have no relation to me experiencing material reality. People have cited your own sources back at you, yet for some weird reason you haven't responded to it. Hmmm.
"Genocide is bad" is a flawed ideal and other deranged statements bade by democrats
And people have pointed out the literal things she has done that does support the positions I assert she does. You don't engage with them because you're a big baby.
Yeah. She did those things because she's a liberal like the rest of them.
No actually saying "oh no she supported genocide that's bad" is a pretty consistent ideological stance to have.
It is though. It's just not the conclusion you'd like it to be because you're still at the stage in life where you think the DNC can save us or be saved or fixed or whatever. I was like that when I was a teenager too. I remember thinking Al Gore was good. Ah, those were the days, just a smooth brain.
Why would I waste my time discussing a bunch of people that aren't AOC in a thread about AOC? Why would I waste my time critiquing [far right loon] on a leftist forum? There's nothing to be gained or learned from that discussion. Yeah MTG is wacky, great. She's not a sheepdog for the left. You keep arguing that this is not productive and then complain that we don't do something even less productive. On top of that you behave as if this thread is the entirety of the site. Just go to one of the threads where we shitpost about Trump being moist or whatever if that's what you'd rather want.
Furthermore you've still failed to point to one concrete example of AOC working towards any of those things you claim she's working towards.
You're here too, so I don't really understand your point. Yeah this is just for fun, that's what social media is? Good job? :congratulations: Other people have already gone through your inconsistency with "pointless" and "compromise" and you've ignored them every time, so I won't waste my energy there. Her "bringing the ideas we want" is also something that has been explained a bunch, so I'll just repeat myself: Genocide, border camps, union breaking, sheepdogging and so on are not things I want more of, therefore AOC is not working in my interests.
Again I ask you (again you will fail to answer) do you think we can only critique one person? Is that how your mind works, you only have mental capacity for one person to be disliked? "Purity tests" = "Not supporting genocide" lol. Yeah real high bar to clear there. I actually accomplish not committing a genocide every single day of my life and I intend to continue accomplishing that.
Also I thought you said she wasn't effective? So she has no effective accomplishments? They're all pointless? But I thought you were against pointless agitation? Which is it?
Apparently, literally pointing to concrete things that she did is 'not based on reality', but hyping up her supposed 'achievements' while being unable to mention any is somehow not.
when you're willfully ignoring how shes literally on the record as not supporting those things and the context of which those bills were passed, then yes, you're ignoring reality. Supporting biden for reelection vs trump is not supporting his border policies. Supporting aid to the ukraine and Taiwan is not supporting genocide done by israel. not wasting every day bitching about bidens border policies on children is not the same as supporting it. As for the rail strike I disagree with her on that one but if her statement is true, then she was literally doing what she was elected to do, represent her constituents.
so whats left for me to fact check for you? yes, AOC is not a communist, but she sure hell is orders of magnitudes better than what we have and if you can't recognize that well.... thats a you problem.
So, your argument is that she said that she doesn't support those things? Hahaha. By your logic, when I am accused of something, I can just say that I didn't do that, and that will somehow become the actual truth.
Nobody should care what she says on record or thinks. What is important is what she does. And she has literally taken part in the genocide. That is supported by the article that you linked earlier.
Firstly, it's not just the bills.
Secondly, what context justifies this sort of participation in a genocide?
Yeah, it is.
She has literally made effort to specifically facilitate the genocide of the Palestinian people.
Also: Supporting 'aid' to Ukraine is supporting a war that NATO caused, and where Ukraine is not on the correct side, at least on account of trying to become a NATO outpost.
Supporting 'aid' the province of Taiwan just means that she is in favour of NATO keeping its glorified military outpost and chip factory.
Both of those things are bad on their own.
Not taking any action against those while having promised to do so and while supporting the people who carry out those policies is very much supporting those policies.
Going to apply the standards that you have applied to the PRC and other socialist projects: she's a Burgerlander. They always lie. We can't trust them.
Also, even without that silliness, she has shown herself to be a massive liar.
Cool. You support her doing bad things because she was elected to do them.
And we are supposed to support her? Lol.
You are yet to point to any of her accomplishments, you are yet to point to any issues of communist projects, you have been demonstrated to have no knowledge of history, economics, etc., etc., etc. Hell, you didn't know about the education efforts until I pointed them out to you.
In what way? You haven't named any of her achievements that you claim her to have made. What are her actions that are supposed to be laudable?
'If you don't know about her achievements that I claim she has made but can't actually name any, then it's your problem' says the person who is learning about the actual achievements of actual working-class movements in real time.
So she hasn't defended Biden, helped break a strike, stopped agitating for the children thrown in cages, defended harsher border policies and so much more? Wow I guess I can't trust the wikipedia article you linked anymore. Damn.
hey man dunno about you but I don't spend every day bitching about shit. got things to do. And no she hasnt, she just doesn't waste time on shit she can't change beyond pointing it out. just because you're intractable doesn't mean everyone is.
Liberals and casual misogyny, name a more iconic duo
the more iconic duo
Liberals and lack of all introspection
Buddy you are literally arguing with a bunch of people online that they aren't sufficiently appreciative of AOC. You've spent hours writing pages of responses. I do not believe you at all.
I find that hard to believe too.
Fantastic retort, argh I am debunked.
She's not going to write you back pal.
If it were me I wouldn't have been ride or die for biden, voted for genocide, used immigrant camps as a photo op, shamed people for wanting action on palestine, voted for giving more aid to Israel, stopped agitating against border camps, but I'm just built different.
For someone who acts so smug and condescending, you're really bad at exhibiting any valid reason for that attitude. You're pretty obviously an ideological coward who flees when tasked with any interrogation of their own worldview.
I could go on, but I won't.
You are deficient.
Aww shucks
lol, my inbox blew up. I'm not wasting my time on all of you. get a clue. and frankly I dont need to. I've had my fun for the afternoon while coding and waiting on changes to propagate.
And no, I havent said your not sufficiently appreciative of AOC, I've said you're all assholes to a person who literally is probably the best rep you're going to see that aligns with your core wants on worker owned means of production and strong safety nets as far as the US goes and not a single one of you has a realistic view of what shes done or why. But yes, tell me more about how she personally broke the strike and how its a violation of all things holy or how she personally is responsible for bidens child policy because she didn't say 'wtf' every day for four years. or how shes pro genocide despite literally not being pro genocide.
You're literally just toxic fucks as a group. I just don't mind stirring the nest on occasion to remind you of this fact. enjoy your evening. and no, I'm not introducing you twats to system dynamics, distributed systems, and its intersection with political theory. dear god thats literally a fucking seminar worth of work. plenty of people have already written about the mathematical weaknesses in both communism and capitalism I dont need to rehash it for people who cant even handle someone telling them 'yo stop being shit stains to a person who has literally done you no harm'
"lol my inbox blew up" which is why you decided to start new arguments, yeah right buddy.
Who said you had to? For someone who likes to talk of reading comprehension you could really do with some yourself. I am using these people to exemplify how you're really just a scared little guy, who can't interrogate his own worldview.
Have you seen anyone argue against this? The best rep is still absolute dogshit and I'm not gonna praise a turd no matter how much you polish it.
Reading comprehension again. I did not say she personally did it. If you wish to do this smug routine, you really need to be able to relate to what was actually written. Otherwise you come off as being incompetent.
So we can both agree you've put in "personally" because you're just unwilling to admit she's complicit, right?
OH NO SOMEBODY RESPONDS TO YOU IN KIND HOW HORRIBLE! We're one of the most trans inclusive, ND inclusive, POC inclusive spaces online buddy. Our demographics show how this is actually a safe space for minorities of all kinds. We raise funds for people in need, we help each other organize and we have a pretty good vibe going. That vibe comes in part from not catering to redditors like you.
Back at the "Oh I'm being obnoxious and wrong on purpose" I see. Yes you're very not mad, we are all proud of you.
Because you can't, it's okay. I liked to throw big words around when I was a small child as well, wanted to feel grown up. Nobody has asked you to explain them, in fact you've been introduced to several people who already understand those concepts and wish to discuss them with you, which you have failed to do. That was why I included some of those people in the omnipost which you are replying to. You know this of course, you are just making a sad attempt at deflection here.
Making a basic explanation is really not that, but I guess one could think it was if one is still in high school.
Name three works you've read.
Is that what you're pretending your argument is now? Damn we started out at a completely different place, but this is what you want to pretend you're saying now? Okie dokie, she has done me harm. She has supported border camps, crushed strikes and supported an ongoing genocide. These things have harmed me personally. Also calling someone out for being shitty is actually not "being a shit stain", but I guess it could feel that way if you're a spoiled child not used to being told no.
You just seem to be laundering human nature arguments through oh-so-complicated-and-intelligent "systems theory", which is the opposite of what systems theory is cuz systems theory actually wants to explain the behavior of systems based on their real internal or external relationships rather than appealing to some metaphysical concept. The sad thing is I actually believe that you may have picked this up from time at some kind of educational institution like you seem to be implying or, idk, maybe you just read a few Wikipedia pages like you keep posting at us lol
Which people are you referring to? Cuz even your references to distributed mathematical systems dynamics or whatever are so substanceless I have no idea what you're talking about
Another case of STEM brain, folks, what a shame
incoherent whining instead of addressing any of the dozen cogent questions you have been given
retreat, retreat, retreat. loser
Yeah ok. but have you considered
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Starting up the "I'm a very busy important person" routine six hours into getting dunked on in a niche forum is so incredibly funny lmao
Maybe you could use the rest of the afternoon to discover some new, non-misogynistic insults to try out next time you want to embarrass yourself on the internet.
First of all, we don't go for that sort of casual misogynistic language round here.
Secondly, your dedication to dozens of replies, saying nothing, calling people names, and refusing to engage on any particular point would seem to indicate otherwise.
If she can't change it, while having to actively support (in money, votes, PR, volunteer time etc) a collosal amount of destructive, regressive, and downright evil policy, what exactly is her worth?
Why is it that liberals always frame 'everything that could be done' so narrowly that it's actually 'everything that could be done without the possibility of them recieving any kind of consequence or hinderence their advancement in that very system'? Why are your expectations so low that the possibility of damage to politicians continual professional success and ladder climbing (in a system you say is corrupt and they can't effect change in) is somehow beyond the bounds of what's possible? Why do you place a politician's career progression beyond the important of the policies you supposedly believe in?
Thirdly, "man" to [pup/pup's, null/void]
That was directed at my comment and I don't mind it because I assume it wasn't meant as a "you are a man" but in the way some people will say, for example, "maaaan, I don't know about that."
I don't know enough about linguistics to say for certain wether that excuses it or not, but I didn't take it as being gendered. Had they previously used "dude" as well, then I would assume they were gendering me.
I take it as being gendered. Had it been "maaaan, I don't know about that" I would be more willing to disregard it
I can see where you're coming from, especially when it's someone who's throwing out slurs and insults then it's pretty fair to assume ill intent.
I missed that, but yes, also not on and very shitty.
=) = I'm not mad