If you scaled this up for all variants of hate speech it could be a simple and effective method of imprisoning a lot of people that make up the right. Since pretty much all reactionary thought is based in oppressive hierarchies if you simply make it illegal to be phobic of everything you can solve almost all of it. They'd try to do it through degrees of abstraction like "states rights" dogwhistles but I don't see why you shouldn't make abstraction illegal either, everyone can see it for what it is as a means of sidestepping.
Shit this isn't a funny comment so for balance I'll also say without theory the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor.
Why? Hatespeech causes death and a measurably large quantity of it. Treating it with the seriousness of the consequences it creates is in fact sensible.
This has several benefits, it prevents the politicians from using it as a weapon, since they can't actually say anything homophobic without imprisonment.
In the longterm you do re-education instead. But this is perfectly good in the interim.
all hatespeech also has the same effect: driving political minorities out of public life, building the base for fascism to grow its roots. it's the degree of harm that varies, not the kind. so the severity of the response should also vary but a socialist society should absolutely outlaw hatespeech, just as it should expropriate private property. reeducation should absolutely follow for everyone but committed fascists. bigots should be afraid to spew their bile. is it harsh? absolutely. but as someone who's personally been chased by a group of bigots screaming slurs with the obvious intent to beat me, allowing them to move openly only helps them build power and enables precisely those sorts of attacks.
I think they are being a little unserious. Maybe they're in a mood or something. I don't think this approach would increase hatred except to the state, but you would also literally have most of society in prison, so . . .
the more serious answer is that you suspend the sentences for minor offenders and attempt to rehabilitate them. repeat offenders need to be separated from society with more intensive reeducation. but the threat needs to be there to prevent them from organizing against the state by stoking latent bigotries.
A socialist system of justice would be focused on treatment and rehabilitation. Most minor offenders would probably receive a suspended sentence and not have to do jail time as long as they followed the conditions of their probation.
As for repeat offenders and propagandists there has to be an effective deterrent to prevent them from endangering targeted minorities.
As for repeat offenders and propagandists there has to be an effective deterrent to prevent them from endangering targeted minorities.
they need to be separated from society but I don't think it's obvious that they're past reeducation and rehabilitation. if rehabilitation fails, yeah, I agree.
In a government with like red cops, yeah. I’m not fundamentally opposed to the use of force, in fact I think we should use it very liberally against people who aren’t communist.
If you scaled this up for all variants of hate speech it could be a simple and effective method of imprisoning a lot of people that make up the right. Since pretty much all reactionary thought is based in oppressive hierarchies if you simply make it illegal to be phobic of everything you can solve almost all of it. They'd try to do it through degrees of abstraction like "states rights" dogwhistles but I don't see why you shouldn't make abstraction illegal either, everyone can see it for what it is as a means of sidestepping.
Shit this isn't a funny comment so for balance I'll also say without theory the dream of the oppressed is to become the oppressor.
I know you mean abstracted versions of hate speech, but the idea of a government outlawing abstraction in general is extremely funny
Picasso?
mathematicians:
Neoliberal meta culture be like
Building my server farm with a live database of all known world financial transactions instead of saying "economy"
no more half measures walter
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Why? Hatespeech causes death and a measurably large quantity of it. Treating it with the seriousness of the consequences it creates is in fact sensible.
This has several benefits, it prevents the politicians from using it as a weapon, since they can't actually say anything homophobic without imprisonment.
In the longterm you do re-education instead. But this is perfectly good in the interim.
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neither is manslaughter. reduced or stayed sentences make sense but it's still best to stamp it out.
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all hatespeech also has the same effect: driving political minorities out of public life, building the base for fascism to grow its roots. it's the degree of harm that varies, not the kind. so the severity of the response should also vary but a socialist society should absolutely outlaw hatespeech, just as it should expropriate private property. reeducation should absolutely follow for everyone but committed fascists. bigots should be afraid to spew their bile. is it harsh? absolutely. but as someone who's personally been chased by a group of bigots screaming slurs with the obvious intent to beat me, allowing them to move openly only helps them build power and enables precisely those sorts of attacks.
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they can feel however they like. the important thing is that there's a threat of violence associated with continuing to be a bigot.
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it's not pleasant, but it's important to remember that they can opt out of future consequences by simply choosing to be different.
the targets of their hate don't have that luxury. they will always be targets.
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I think they are being a little unserious. Maybe they're in a mood or something. I don't think this approach would increase hatred except to the state, but you would also literally have most of society in prison, so . . .
the more serious answer is that you suspend the sentences for minor offenders and attempt to rehabilitate them. repeat offenders need to be separated from society with more intensive reeducation. but the threat needs to be there to prevent them from organizing against the state by stoking latent bigotries.
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First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for perjury: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for making a threat: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for conspiracy to commit murder: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for blackmail: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for lying to the shareholders: 🙂
First Amendment fans when someone is arrested for saying that we need to kill all the gays because they’re grooming children: 😡😡😡
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A socialist system of justice would be focused on treatment and rehabilitation. Most minor offenders would probably receive a suspended sentence and not have to do jail time as long as they followed the conditions of their probation.
As for repeat offenders and propagandists there has to be an effective deterrent to prevent them from endangering targeted minorities.
they need to be separated from society but I don't think it's obvious that they're past reeducation and rehabilitation. if rehabilitation fails, yeah, I agree.
They will be rehabilitated through labor in the poetry mines
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In a government with like red cops, yeah. I’m not fundamentally opposed to the use of force, in fact I think we should use it very liberally against people who aren’t communist.
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