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  • POKEMONGOTOTHEGULAG [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    The current atmosphere in Europe is completely fucked. You can't criticize surveillance overreach or you're a terrorist sympathizer. If you point out that men by percent commit more murders than Muslims, you're being a stuckup bitch who wants to be raped by the hordes.

    • BeamBrain [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      Sounds a lot like America in the years following 9/11.

  • Norm_Chumpsky [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    It sucks. I remember when the 2015 Charlie Hebdo shooting happened I was more on the New Atheist/ all religions bad side. I’ve since realized that a lot if that is just laundering Islamophobia through the Reason & Logic TM lens, so left leaning people can feel good about it. Muslims are pathologized as being inherently violent and the historical and continuing violence against Muslims is dismissed and ignored.

    I’m still an atheist but the both sidesism is totally power flattening. It doesn’t matter that Charlie Hebdo mocks the pope as well, France is a majority catholic country. If you think that is the same as /pol/ meme level racist caricatures targeting a marginalized and oppressed community, I don’t know what to tell you.

    And I wasn’t trying to say the teacher or the Charlie Hebdo staff deserved to get murdered, it’s just really fucked that the reaction then and now is “I guess we just haven’t been racist enough, time to double down.”

    • sisatici [he/him]
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      4 years ago

      We have our political cartoon magazine like Charlie hebdo except they are left-far left and not racist in Turkey. They showed solidarity and respect after terror attack "stop with accusing them of islamophobia, they are not, they are victims of a terror attack". I remember how disgusted they were after Charlie hebdos ayla comic

  • GrouchyGrouse [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Millions of Muslims living peacefully, even citing their god or their religion as the backbone of their life, prosperity, and peace. Both in and outside of Muslim-majority locales.

    I sleep.

    A person does a bad thing and claims Islam as their inspiration for doing it. Real shit?

    Like, are we going to condemn all Australians because the Australian SAS is populated with war criminal pieces of human excrement? Well I see the sentiment but its pretty jocular. And even if it was sincere, what the fuck is it going to accomplish? People are going to punch people if they say G'day? Normalizing Islamophobia, on the other hand, has a proven track record of getting innocent people hurt. It empowers bigots. It also makes the terrible assumption that the climate of criticizing Islam is done in good faith, and not just a way of justifying bigotry toward people who look different. It normalizes xenophobia, racism, and islamophobia all in one convenient and disgusting package.

    • wickedsnakes [she/her]
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      4 years ago

      My Greek relatives are similar. My YiaYia went absolutely ballistic when Germany won the FIFA world cup in 2014 (she hates the Germans so much)

  • Circra [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The Rotheram grooming gangs here really revealed a lot of islamophobia. I'm amazed at how people just lapped up the police's account that political correctness meant they felt unable to do anything when anyone who knows knows that the police don't need an excuse to be racist. Hell, all the evidence pointed to the fact that they did nothing because the victims were working class and the police dismissed their claims and stories as coming from attention seeking sluts who deserved what they got.

    I grew up in a really fucking rough area. The girl who lived opposite was pimped out by her stepdad at 12 to her uncles for cigarettes. Really awful stuff. The police did nothing and returned her when she ran away. The school must have known too. I can very easily believe the police's attitude to the victims here. Far more so than them being the only non racist force in the UK.

    The bastards that did it fully deserve to be dragged through the courts because they're evil pieces of shit but boy did it expose a lot of racism and islamophobia.

    Oh and interesting how everyone conveniently forgot about our ruling classes cheerfully doing pedo stuff and paints it as a uniquely muslim deal.

  • Praksis [any]
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    4 years ago

    the hatred of muslims unites the whole spectrum here

  • penguin_von_doom [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Some white european populations ARE muslim. I mean at least they think about themselves as such. Whether slavs count as white is another question. but yeah, in general anti-muslim sentiment is cornerstone of national identity in Eastern Europe.

  • phimosis__jones [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The relative underdevelopment of the Islamic world (due to imperialism) is why large Muslim populations even exist in western Europe. Most Muslim immigrants to Europe in the past century would have preferred to stay in their home countries if they had the same opportunities. Some degree of cultural conflict and misunderstanding is inevitable when people from different cultures interact for the first time but capitalists have deliberately oppressed and hyperexploited the immigrants (which makes them resent the native populations) and deliberately fed the native populations' prejudices to keep the working class divided.

  • lvysaur [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    Europeans are half Middle Eastern: https://i.imgur.com/NzPks6V.png

    Whites hating Arabs is like Mexicans hating Natives.

      • lvysaur [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        the bars represent %ages of ancestry.
        blue = European forager
        green = Mideast Iranian
        orange = Mideast Anatolian

        The picture with all the dots/triangles shows DNA similarity represented by physical distance. less distance = closer

    • ViveLaCommune [any]
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      I don't think that's the best way to look at it. No one putting any importance on this type of vague categorizing of populations has any point. The graph was really great until someone put their shit drawings on it.