Communities should not be overly moderated in order to enforce a specific narrative. Respectful disagreement should be allowed in a smaller proportion to the established narrative.
Humans are naturally inclined to believe a single narrative when they're only presented with a single narrative. That's the basis of how fiction works. You can't tell someone a story if they're questioning every paragraph. However, a well placed sentence questioning that narrative gives the reader the option to chose. They're no longer in a story being told by one author, and they're free to choose the narrative that makes sense to them, even if one narrative is being pushed much more heavily than the other.
Unfortunately, some malicious actors are hijacking this natural tendency to be invested in fiction, and they're using it to create absurd, cult-like trends in non-fiction. They're using this for various nefarious ends, to turn us against each other, to generate profit, and to affect politics both domestically and internationally.
In a fully anonymous social media platform, we can't counter this fully. But we can prune some of the most egregious echo chambers.
We're aware that this policy is going to be subjective. It won't be popular in all instances. We're going to allow some "flat earth" comments. We're going to force some moderators to accept some "flat earth" comments. The point of this is that you should be able to counter those comments with words, and not need moderation/admin tools to do so. One sentence that doesn't jive with the overall narrative should be easily countered or ignored.
It's harder to just dismiss that comment if it's interrupting your fictional story that's pretending to be real. "The moon is upside down in Australia" does a whole lot more damage to the flat earth argument than "Nobody has crossed the ice wall" does to the truth. The purpose of allowing both of these is to help everyone get a little closer to reality and avoid incubating extreme cult-like behavior online.
A user should be able to (respectfully, infrequently) post/comment about a study showing marijuana is a gateway drug to !marijuana without moderation tools being used to censor that content.
Of course this isn't about marijuana. There's a small handful of self-selected moderators who are very transparently looking to push their particular narrative. And they don't want to allow discussion. They want to function as propaganda and an incubator. Our goal is to allow a few pinholes of light into the Truman show they wish to create. When those users' pinholes are systematically shut down, we as admins can directly fix the issue.
We don't expect this policy to be perfect. Admins are not aware of everything that happens on our instances and don't expect to be. This is a tool that allows us to trim the most extreme of our communities and guide them to something more reasonable. This policy is the board that we point to when we see something obscene on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com so that we can actually do something about it without being too authoritarian ourselves. We want to enable our users to counter the absolute BS, and be able to step in when self-selected moderators silence those reasonable people.
Some communities will receive an immediate notice with a link to this new policy. The most egregious communities will comply, or their moderators will be removed from those communities.
Moderators, if someone is responding to many root comments in every thread, that's not "in a smaller proportion" and you're free to do what you like about that. If their "counter" narrative posts are making up half of the posts to your community, you're free to address that. If they're belligerent or rude, of course you know what to do. If they're just saying something you don't like, respectfully, and they're not spamming it, use your words instead of your moderation abilities.
.world volunteers to become lemmy's troll feeding ground lol
Idk which is more surprising. How often they do this Friday nights or that they used a person's account not their admin pr account to post it
This is sure to go down well! If there's one thing I know every marginalised person on the internet loves to do, it's endlessly debate the validity of their own existence to whatever smuglord redditor they catch the eye of at any particular time.
Or even just be triggered or offended in literally every thread even if they don't choose to engage with it
Storm.front staying true to its principles- being Nazis who are afraid of being called Nazis.
lmao those dorks are complaining about tankies and vegans coming in to "troll" and "brigade" them.
"Why do I keep getting flat earthers and neo-nazis in my Bengali dice collector discussion forum?"
The timing with metas change is a little on the nose. Lemmy.fed. Also lmao at using flat earth as an example. Reality isn't real if u think about it we're all just vibes vibing each other to choose different vibes
Flat earth shit quickly devolves into antisemitic conspiracy theories. It's the guaranteed conclusion when flat earthers start asking themselves "Who is hiding the truth from us?" "They are!" replies the other flat earther. "Who's 'they?'" "It's the jews, of course!"
And now you have a bunch of neo-nazis recruiting from a """"ironic joke""""" community. Nazis know this and will further use it to spread out into other nearby flat earther groups.
These fucking people have the audacity to accuse the left of antisemitism for not supporting Isreal, then foster the perfect environment for actual antisemites to take root.
no it's been discussed well before they did that lw mod trying to spin pr
Admin response to the question of why won't lemmy.world defederate from threads, alluding to the fact that Ruud helped with the federation for mastodon.world and was in the meetings with Meta last year that many big mastodon instances were a part of. Ruud is 100% a part of corporate efforts to extend into the fediverse.
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For a second I thought you were talking about a change on here and I damn near lost my shit. I hope to god our mods and admins remain strict stalinists.
When a person talks about how this will make queer people targets like on Twitter or Facebook:
Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.
A lot of attacks like that are common and worth refuting once in awhile anyway. It can be valuable to show the response on occasion. Additionally, you don’t always have to have the last word.
So now liberals say you can "discuss" trans rights or existence. Like, fascist ideas are fine. Theoretically, principally. Just be civil about it. Maintain the veneer. Fucking liberals I swear to god. The onus falls on the marginalized and the victimized to always somehow have to defend their very existence.