I don't necessarily disagree with most all of that (despite not knowing what BJJ was until just now looking it up). But that's why I made it clear, repeatedly, that psychedelics alone are certainly not enough to rid someone of firmly-held bad political views. But I still think that they are never going to hurt (i.e., cause someone to become more of a chud) but rather have a reasonable chance of helping a person consider other, broader, more humanistic perspectives. Basically, I think the use of psychedelics will have a real tendency to inspire the kind of thinking necessary for a leftward shift. I'm not claiming this would happen for everyone, and even for those it does, it's not likely to be a sudden and diametric change.
If you were raised hating the Democrats (and who could blame them) and you think politics is a singular line - a little bit of euphoria isn’t going to unravel who you are as a person.
Ok, there are a few things to say about that...
First of all, psychedelics may or may not be euphoric. In fact they can be extremely dysphoric sometimes. It can even be argued that "bad trips" would be more likely to have transformative effect on the user. It's not the feeling strange pleasure or 'seeing pretty colors' that are really going to give someone new insights into their view of the world. Again, it's more about the completely different, broader perspectives afforded by psychedelic use, among other effects, that could have a chance of shifting the politics someone identifies with. Also, none of that is about "unraveling" who someone is "as a person," but rather planting seeds of consideration. Someone raised hating leftists isn't likely to have some sudden epiphany and immediately start agitating for revolution after doing LSD and ketamine, and I never implied otherwise. But instead, that person might here and there start thinking about the narrow lens they've been using to look at the world, and questioning how distorted it may be. Psychedelics are very good at helping a person with that because they essentially force a person to look at the world through a very different lens if only for the duration of a trip.
Maybe a YouTube algorithm that reccomends HasanAbi VODs would be a better pipeline than drugs would ever be.
Ok, that I really do disagree with. A chud could watch all your favorite leftist videos over and over and be totally unswayed if they don't have the mindset to consider a different perspective than the one they're used to. Psychedelics on the other hand, by definition, put people into a mindset where they can only see perspectives other than what they're used to.
When your musings get pieced apart by the person you were agreeing with :bruh-moment:
Perhaps I was a bit reductionist on the subject on entheogens by calling it a euphoria. Sorry, comrade. I hope my takeaway message was a riff off of what you were saying insofar that the drugs by themselves won't make a leftist, even if that's what the Nixon administration wanted people to believe.
Oh hey, it's all good! No need for apologies. The points you made are perfectly valid and yeah, also gave me a chance to better explain (or ramble on about) my reasoning for touting psychs. :heart-sickle:
I don't necessarily disagree with most all of that (despite not knowing what BJJ was until just now looking it up). But that's why I made it clear, repeatedly, that psychedelics alone are certainly not enough to rid someone of firmly-held bad political views. But I still think that they are never going to hurt (i.e., cause someone to become more of a chud) but rather have a reasonable chance of helping a person consider other, broader, more humanistic perspectives. Basically, I think the use of psychedelics will have a real tendency to inspire the kind of thinking necessary for a leftward shift. I'm not claiming this would happen for everyone, and even for those it does, it's not likely to be a sudden and diametric change.
Ok, there are a few things to say about that...
First of all, psychedelics may or may not be euphoric. In fact they can be extremely dysphoric sometimes. It can even be argued that "bad trips" would be more likely to have transformative effect on the user. It's not the feeling strange pleasure or 'seeing pretty colors' that are really going to give someone new insights into their view of the world. Again, it's more about the completely different, broader perspectives afforded by psychedelic use, among other effects, that could have a chance of shifting the politics someone identifies with. Also, none of that is about "unraveling" who someone is "as a person," but rather planting seeds of consideration. Someone raised hating leftists isn't likely to have some sudden epiphany and immediately start agitating for revolution after doing LSD and ketamine, and I never implied otherwise. But instead, that person might here and there start thinking about the narrow lens they've been using to look at the world, and questioning how distorted it may be. Psychedelics are very good at helping a person with that because they essentially force a person to look at the world through a very different lens if only for the duration of a trip.
Ok, that I really do disagree with. A chud could watch all your favorite leftist videos over and over and be totally unswayed if they don't have the mindset to consider a different perspective than the one they're used to. Psychedelics on the other hand, by definition, put people into a mindset where they can only see perspectives other than what they're used to.
Perhaps I was a bit reductionist on the subject on entheogens by calling it a euphoria. Sorry, comrade. I hope my takeaway message was a riff off of what you were saying insofar that the drugs by themselves won't make a leftist, even if that's what the Nixon administration wanted people to believe.
Oh hey, it's all good! No need for apologies. The points you made are perfectly valid and yeah, also gave me a chance to better explain (or ramble on about) my reasoning for touting psychs. :heart-sickle: