His opinions about the "genocide"? The fact that you recognise that they are entirely opinions and not facts just shows how inauthentic the claims are.
That's not what "I did defend Zenz on his opinions" means at all. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you'll lie about what you said only a few centimetres away?
As I have already clarified multiple times, I am not here to start shit. I am here to express my opinions, just like the hexbears do on those news posts on China.
I hold that it is bad as far as we are concerned if a person, a political party, an army or a school is not attacked by the enemy, for in that case it would definitely mean that we have sunk to the level of the enemy. It is good if we are attacked by the enemy, since it proves that we have drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves. It is still better if the enemy attacks us wildly and paints us as utterly black and without a single virtue; it demonstrates that we have not only drawn a clear line of demarcation between the enemy and ourselves but achieved a great deal in our work.
No one here cares because they're filled with losers like you. It is a privilege to federate with us. Blahaj was on some transphobic and ableist bullshit, so they lost that privilege.
There is no genocide against the Uyghurs and continuing to lie about it is the holocaust denial you're being accused of. You're diminishing the term 'genocide' and making what the nazis did look as comparatively harmless as what China is doing. You're doing PR for the nazis by making their crimes look less serious.
But you've had this explained to you a thousand times. You know what you're doing. You're doing it because that's your goal, clearly.
You should honestly investigate how democracy actually works in China - You'll find that they have far more votes and actual choices for their officials than you ever have, and the approval rate of the government, even when anonymously/independently surveyed, is almost certainly higher than your country's.
I honestly find it hard to believe that there is any degree of democracy in a country where the government regularly silences words on its social media. The local officials (the mayor, legislators, and the president) where I live are all elected and I'm pretty sure that's already more than what China has. Their high approval rate is due to the fact that people don't know that their government can be better.
The local officials (the mayor, legislators, and the president) where I live are all elected and I'm pretty sure that's already more than what China has
I think what I said is still true.
There's a lot of handwaving in your reply that China's population are just ignorant and censorship exists therefore its bad, based on little info. All Western countries also have major systems of censorship on social media. The majority of people in China have access to the internet via unfiltered VPNs - they have basically as much free access to information as you do.
All Western countries also have major systems of censorship on social media.
Well, yeah, I suppose so.
The majority of people in China have access to the internet via unfiltered VPNs.
I would say that Chinese people who have a VPN are among the minority (less than 50%). But yeah, Chinese people who have a VPN have access to all the content outside the national firewall.
Your opinion doesn't deserve to be heard though. You're calling China a dictatorship. You haven't done any investigation into the thing you're talking about and are therefore speaking nonsense. Why do you want your opinion to be heard so badly? Have you done so much work on it that you're proud to show it off to others?
You can't just say "genocide denial" and pretend you've won the argument. You first have to actually provide proof of the genocide happening. I could also say "the Dutch are being genocided as we speak" and then call you a genocide denier when you say that's preposterous.
It's strange how elusive the proof for this supposed genocide is.
The notion that a genocide is occurring against the fastest growing ethnic group in China is preposterous. And the second fastest is Tibetan.
Where is the evidence? Have you looked at what it really looks like when a country is genuinely abusing an ethnicity in its borders? Have you ever visited https://reddit.com/r/israelexposed ?? Why do you think Israel, a richer country per capita with smaller borders to police is incapable of hiding its atrocities but you can't find me a single real video of anything of this shit in a country where 90% of the population has smart phones?
Oh and where are the tens of thousands of refugees?
I understand that some people may not choose to believe things unless provided concrete evidence. I respect this attitude, and I am sometimes like this too. However, to dismiss even the possibility that there might be such a thing happening is unthinkable. Do you think that Israel controls its Internet as strictly as China does? Do you think that the camp is somewhere in the city center where hundreds of people pass by it every day? Do you think that the government doesn't prohibit people to even come near the facility much less allow them to take photos?
Oh and where are the tens of thousands of refugees?
a “genocide” with no proof is impossible. there is plenty of proof of the Holocaust, even before the Allies liberated the camps and saw the documentation of the several genocides committed by the Nazis, it was well known around the world that an extermination campaign was underway. there were Holocaust victims who were able to escape during the war and told of the genocides.
now, where is the proof of a Uyghur genocide? its all hearsay from Adrian Zenz, a guy who’s been to China once 15 years ago. now western media props him up as a “China expert” bc he tells them what they want to hear. he feeds them lies for the propaganda machine in order to stoke popular outrage against China. bc a country like the PRC is dangerous for the existence of capitalism. look at how tough China is on their capitalists. executives of a baby formula company allowed expired formula to be sold in order to turn a profit, many babies died, the executives were tried for this mass murder, and a few were executed. this is justice, real justice. state power exerted against capital is the only way to overcome capital
A UN Resolution of global south nations: https://web.archive.org/web/20220210055246/https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
We express our firm opposition to relevant countries’ practice of politicizing human rights issues, by naming and shaming, and publicly exerting pressures on other countries. We commend China’s remarkable achievements in the field of human rights by adhering to the people-centered development philosophy and protecting and promoting human rights through development. We also appreciate China’s contributions to the international human rights cause.
World Bank Investigation of Xinjiang: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
When allegations are made, the World Bank takes them seriously and reviews them thoroughly. In line with standard practice, immediately after receiving a series of serious allegations in August 2019 in connection with the Xinjiang Technical and Vocational Education and Training Project, the Bank launched a fact-finding review, and World Bank senior managers traveled to Xinjiang to gather information directly...The team conducted a thorough review of project documents, engaged in discussions with project staff, and visited schools directly financed by the project, as well as their partner schools that were the subject of allegations. The review did not substantiate the allegations.
Welcomes the outcomes of the visit conducted by the General Secretariat's delegation upon invitation from the People's Republic of China; commends the efforts of the People's Republic of China in providing care to its Muslim citizens; and looks forward to further cooperation between the OIC and the People's Republic of China.
Egyptian media delegates visit Xinjiang: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/430738-egyptian-media-delegates-provide-a-detailed-insight-of-the-situation-in-xinjiang
The recently published report also brings forth some interesting facts related to the religious freedom as opposed to the western propaganda. The report provides a strong testimonial by the visiting delegates who clearly state, “the in houses of worship such as the Id Kah Mosque in Kashgar, modern facilities abound, providing water, electricity and air conditioning. Local clerics told the visitors that their religious activities had been very well protected”. "The conditions here are very good," said Abdelhalim Elwerdany, of Egypt's Al-Gomhuria newspaper. "I could feel that local Muslims fully enjoy religious freedom."
It's not a 'me' problem. See this post on !meta@lemm.ee on whether to defederate from hexbear.net. There are about half of other lemm.ee users who also hate what the Hexbears are doing.
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I did not defend Nazi apologia. I did defend Zenz on his opinions about the genocide against Uyghurs in China.
His opinions about the "genocide"? The fact that you recognise that they are entirely opinions and not facts just shows how inauthentic the claims are.
Not his. Theirs. The opinion of the majority of the WaPo team.
That's not what "I did defend Zenz on his opinions" means at all. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously when you'll lie about what you said only a few centimetres away?
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Apparently both the WaPo and I do.
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This is your previous comment
Yes.
You see how you're making it difficult for anyone to take you seriously right
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Then why
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its our job to make nazi apologists look bad
Go eat some grass nerd
I don't know whether you read my parent comments or not, but I am not a nazi apologist.
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Yes, yes I do.
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It's funny because calling you out on your dishonest and racist shit is the original source of your grudge against us
Now you come to our site for the explicit and sole reason of starting shit with us
And you act indignant at being called out for your behavior once again and act like you're vnidicated
As I have already clarified multiple times, I am not here to start shit. I am here to express my opinions, just like the hexbears do on those news posts on China.
And how does this comment fit into that objective? Because this looks like you engaging with and in shit.
TBH you look more like a troll that I do
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you should stop making ad hominem attacks and instead watch this countdown for an important message then click the spoiler below afterwards
Don't click until the 60 seconds are up, silly!
Ad nom on deez nutz ayy lmao
I am not going to wait for the countdown, ok?
lmao
Did I say anything wrong? Was the process democratic? Yes. Was he elected? Yes. Was his title "president"? Yes. Did this happen in Taiwan? Also yes.
By this same logic, Xi is the democratically elected leader of China but for some reason you keep calling it a dictatorship
No? Xi does not even claim himself to be democratically elected by the citizens.
By the citizens? You didn't say that part lol. That disqualifies the U.S. as a democracy.
Taiwan is a fascist colony and democracy is not possible until the junta is gone and western influence wiped away
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I don't think the people of North Korea have any say in who gets to be the president/chairman/general secretary.
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Judging by your post history you are definitely trying to stir shit up.
I am not.
What's the difference? Your reputation is already shit.
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you look how many of them are still federated with nazis and transphobes and tell us again how sad it is those freaks defederated
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again, aww boo hoo all the most reactionary instances defederated from us waaahh
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Mainstream liberals not liking communists is not anything new or shocking.
And? There's only like three major instances worth being federated with in the first place.
No one here cares because they're filled with losers like you. It is a privilege to federate with us. Blahaj was on some transphobic and ableist bullshit, so they lost that privilege.
It's not slander if it's true.
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There is no genocide against the Uyghurs and continuing to lie about it is the holocaust denial you're being accused of. You're diminishing the term 'genocide' and making what the nazis did look as comparatively harmless as what China is doing. You're doing PR for the nazis by making their crimes look less serious.
But you've had this explained to you a thousand times. You know what you're doing. You're doing it because that's your goal, clearly.
You are doing PR for the Chinese Communist Party. I have nothing against communism, what I am against is their dictatorship.
My goal is to... well I don't really have a goal. All I want to do is to make my opinions heard just like you are.
You should honestly investigate how democracy actually works in China - You'll find that they have far more votes and actual choices for their officials than you ever have, and the approval rate of the government, even when anonymously/independently surveyed, is almost certainly higher than your country's.
I honestly find it hard to believe that there is any degree of democracy in a country where the government regularly silences words on its social media. The local officials (the mayor, legislators, and the president) where I live are all elected and I'm pretty sure that's already more than what China has. Their high approval rate is due to the fact that people don't know that their government can be better.
I think what I said is still true.
There's a lot of handwaving in your reply that China's population are just ignorant and censorship exists therefore its bad, based on little info. All Western countries also have major systems of censorship on social media. The majority of people in China have access to the internet via unfiltered VPNs - they have basically as much free access to information as you do.
Well, yeah, I suppose so.
I would say that Chinese people who have a VPN are among the minority (less than 50%). But yeah, Chinese people who have a VPN have access to all the content outside the national firewall.
Your opinion doesn't deserve to be heard though. You're calling China a dictatorship. You haven't done any investigation into the thing you're talking about and are therefore speaking nonsense. Why do you want your opinion to be heard so badly? Have you done so much work on it that you're proud to show it off to others?
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How do you know that? All the evidence we can find says that China is not doing that.
Your gut is telling you they are. What could give you this instinct? It could only be rascism.
You can't just say "genocide denial" and pretend you've won the argument. You first have to actually provide proof of the genocide happening. I could also say "the Dutch are being genocided as we speak" and then call you a genocide denier when you say that's preposterous.
It's strange how elusive the proof for this supposed genocide is.
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The notion that a genocide is occurring against the fastest growing ethnic group in China is preposterous. And the second fastest is Tibetan.
Where is the evidence? Have you looked at what it really looks like when a country is genuinely abusing an ethnicity in its borders? Have you ever visited https://reddit.com/r/israelexposed ?? Why do you think Israel, a richer country per capita with smaller borders to police is incapable of hiding its atrocities but you can't find me a single real video of anything of this shit in a country where 90% of the population has smart phones?
Oh and where are the tens of thousands of refugees?
I understand that some people may not choose to believe things unless provided concrete evidence. I respect this attitude, and I am sometimes like this too. However, to dismiss even the possibility that there might be such a thing happening is unthinkable. Do you think that Israel controls its Internet as strictly as China does? Do you think that the camp is somewhere in the city center where hundreds of people pass by it every day? Do you think that the government doesn't prohibit people to even come near the facility much less allow them to take photos?
Sorry, what refugees are you talking about?
If there is a genocide against an ethnic minority happening, there would be refugees flooding the borders of neighboring countries
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Can’t deny a genocide that only exists in the minds of rabid imperialist westerners
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a “genocide” with no proof is impossible. there is plenty of proof of the Holocaust, even before the Allies liberated the camps and saw the documentation of the several genocides committed by the Nazis, it was well known around the world that an extermination campaign was underway. there were Holocaust victims who were able to escape during the war and told of the genocides.
now, where is the proof of a Uyghur genocide? its all hearsay from Adrian Zenz, a guy who’s been to China once 15 years ago. now western media props him up as a “China expert” bc he tells them what they want to hear. he feeds them lies for the propaganda machine in order to stoke popular outrage against China. bc a country like the PRC is dangerous for the existence of capitalism. look at how tough China is on their capitalists. executives of a baby formula company allowed expired formula to be sold in order to turn a profit, many babies died, the executives were tried for this mass murder, and a few were executed. this is justice, real justice. state power exerted against capital is the only way to overcome capital
A UN Resolution of global south nations: https://web.archive.org/web/20220210055246/https://undocs.org/pdf?symbol=en/A/HRC/41/G/17
World Bank Investigation of Xinjiang: https://www.worldbank.org/en/news/statement/2019/11/11/world-bank-statement-on-review-of-project-in-xinjiang-china
Organization of Islamic Cooperation praises Chinese handling of Xinjiang: https://www.oic-oci.org/docdown/?docID=4447&refID=1250
https://web.archive.org/web/20201107223810/http://www.inp.net.pk/china-lauds-oics-resolution-on-xinjiang/
Egyptian media delegates visit Xinjiang: https://www.thenews.com.pk/latest/430738-egyptian-media-delegates-provide-a-detailed-insight-of-the-situation-in-xinjiang
Adrian Zenz has entered the chat.
Refining this into bullet points:
You said I did a bad thing I did not do a bad thing how dare you
Your opinions are bad and you take the side of people with your opinions
I did NOT do bad thing
You should be able to recognize your hatred of us is a 'you' problem
It's not a 'me' problem. See this post on !meta@lemm.ee on whether to defederate from hexbear.net. There are about half of other lemm.ee users who also hate what the Hexbears are doing.
They're as shit as you
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are you mad that you were wrong abt China? and that the only sources you had to back you up were Wikipedia and the fascist propagandist Adrian Zenz?
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I never refused to engage in the arguments. I almost always replies back with thoughtful arguments.
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