The conversations are amazing
wow the level of cope in this thread (thankfully not that many tho) arguing over stats - which are probably made up anyway.
some people can't handle that most humans just wanna be friends regardless of gov politics bs
yep most genuinely don't care, people just hate to be a part of something lol
我爱小红书！I love rednote! So many cool people and I'm brushing up on my mandarin 😎
Why? You just assume TEMU uses child labour because... vibes?
No. So many goods cannot be produced by children, it is inefficient.
New tagline dropped
The legend says that the one who add the taglines, the tagliner, hide in plain sight and that they are always watching you.
Eh, there's truth and lies on both sides. Coming from someone that lived in china for 4 years and was able to engage with Chinese primary news sources. But basic healthcare in china is faster and cheaper, but then again I went to get a wart removed and they prescribed me acorn paste that accelerated the growth of the wart. So win some lose some.
If you'd have left it @caboose2006@lemm.ee, it would've become a mighty oak. You Westerners are weak. Who wouldn't want a mighty oak growing out their dick?
I spent $82 USD on cold, flu and bronchitis treatment last year!
The fact that this is considered expensive there made me do a choking double take in the same way as learning that an actual mansion in the 70s used to cost like 20 grand.
the median income in China is around 26,800 Yuan (USD 3,855) per month. $82 USD (492yuan) is actually expensive. Since it is median income, you can expect a lot of people are not making that amount especially in the inland regions.
Comparing it to the States is not the good flex that people think it is.
I know this isn’t exactly relevant, but that’s more than I’ve ever earned in my entire life. The most I’ve ever earned in a month is like 2K.
This is not true, 26,800 RMB per month is Senior Developer in Shenzhen (Shenzhen is China Silicon Valley, But the salary is only half of Google L3. and Daily work 9+ hours, six or seven days a week, plz search 996.ICU).
Real china mainland are 600 million people who earn less than 1,000 RMB (136.39 USD) per month (year 2020) by Li Keqiang say (former Prime Minister has passed away).
Trade union? Strike action? No, You'll go to jail, plz search "Jasic incident".
Absolute majority Rednote user is children of the bourgeoisie (Real china is Kuaishou and douyin (But algorithms have created echo chambers that isolate people) or search "whyyoutouzhele" on twitter).
They don't even know that 120 is a paid service, or maybe they're just bragging...
In Jining (former capital of Shandong) Base fare: 100 RMB for the first 10km, 150 RMB for 10-20km, and an additional 10 RMB for each kilometer over 20,
There's a 50 yuan charge for using things like stretchers and oxygen tanks.
your statements are not really contradicting my point and I'm not really disagreeing with them, perhaps you were replying to someone else?
Trade union? Strike action? No, You'll go to jail, plz search "Jasic incident".
Again, I have never stated anything regarding labour struggle in China, I have never defended the government handling of labour issues on my comment, I had stated in the past that strike are illegal in China and the poor handling of workers dissatisfaction often leads to lynchings at worst. I am also familiar with the Jasic incident, again i don't think you are responding on my comments regarding median income in China.
Absolute majority Rednote user is children of the bourgeoisie.
I have never really disagree with this point, the social media access is inevitably going to be alienated young people in cubicule with some income that allows internet access\phone plan
They don't even know that 120 is a paid service, or maybe they're just bragging...
Again, I have never mentioned anything about toll fare to pay back road development, since I am aware. Either you are not responding to the right comments or you are enumerating statements as a way to rant or something
There's a 50 yuan charge for using things like stretchers and oxygen tanks.
Healthcare hasn't really been optimal in recent years. I was back to China two years to see my grandmother one last time. She can't no longer eat; therefore we had to feed her via nutrient tube. a pack of 500ml was 100-150 rmb (2 packs per day) and sometime we managed to bribe people to skip lines to get them first by paying extra. We also managed to luckily bribe the hospital director so she doesn't get kicked out of her bed as it is a rule that you have to leave your bed after a 15 days stay. Suffice to say, she was lucky as she had a party member pension, but the care did ate up a portion of it.
It's nothing personal, I just think it's partly true that. So I added some, including labour issues.
You mentioned median income, According to Zhongjin data, 95% of the population has a monthly income below 5,000 RMB. I don't know the source of your data.
https://www.timedoctor.com/blog/average-salary-in-china/
I got the number by clicking on the first link I found, cross checked with my cousin's income and it is within a plausible range. my statement still stands that healthcare is not cheap in China atm and it would eat up a portion of your income if you have severe issues.
5,000 RMB
sounds about right, my electrician cousin makes less than that
Thank you. I see its data from SalaryExplorer, but I couldn't find where SalaryExplorer source.
Caixin (link, but chinese) did a study last year,
Low-income households, comprising about 300 million people, will have a per capita disposable income of 8,333 RMB in 2021, or 694 RMB per month.
while lower-middle-income households will have a per capita disposable income of 18,446 RMB or 1,537 per month.
High-income households, which make up 20 percent of the population, have a per capita disposable income of 85,836 in 2021, or 7,153 RMB per month.
Median monthly income in China according to most sources I can find is just 1300-1400 USD. Still, 82 USD for that income is not expensive, and that's for higher end private medical care outside the main healthcare system.
It'd be like an American paying for medical care with a weeks groceries.
As a portion of median income it's still far far better than the out of pocket costs in the US (just like pretty much every other country on earth)
If I went to the doctor for bronchitis, then I would pay about 15 dollars after insurance for the visit and prescriptions. Hospitalization would completely different though, and I think that's a better comparison to make.
Assuming insurance covers it. And you only have a 60% chance of having it covered.
I'm with Ambetter, which has one of the lowest denial rates in the country, about 13% I believe.
This also is under the assumption you've met your deductable for the year already which for many HDHP can sometimes be hard.
Well, in a situation where you are going to your primary physician and not going to a hospital then you would be responsible for the co-pay for the doctors visit and whatever the prescriptions cost after insurance, so even though it's the start of the year and I haven't paid anything towards the deductible, it still would be less than $50. With my plan, my co-pay is $10 and I usually have my prescriptions covered 100%. That's why I'm saying a hospital visit would be a better comparison because that's where you really get screwed here. I am in no way defending US healthcare, just being honest about my experiences. Now, if you didn't have insurance, then a visit like this to the doctor and prescriptions could easily be over $150.
What about purchasing power or whatever that metric is called?
Edit: and it is still a flex. Being able to talk to a doctor without taking a loan is pretty good compared to the us
Depends of where you live, in tier 1 Cities (if you want to live for opportunities and make a decent income). You can't really survive well with a 3,855 per month if you don`t have a paid house from your parents.
It is difficult for migrant workers who can't afford a decent living standard unless you live with 4-5 people in a 2 bedrooms rentals.
In terms of healthcare, you if you don`t live in a big city that benefited from reform and opening up, a severe health issue can be a death sentence.
Per wikipedia (I know, but I don't think this kind of data is political enough to be subject to the NATOpedia treatment, it's originally from the census bureau), the median income for workers in the US in 2023 was 40,480 USD. That's 3373.33.
There's a bunch of Chinese posts asking if the stuff about school shootings, fires, homelessness are exaggerated propaganda only to be told otherwise. It's both hilarious and sad.
School shootings is something uniquely american. Even México doesn't have them and we have a decent amount of narcojuniors (rich sons of drug dealers) that would have plenty access to guns, the only time i remember a school shooting happening it was in a private school in Monterrey like 7 years ago, which is pretty much the most americanized part of México.
imagine making social media so bad your own citizens actively procure your biggest rival's networks.
:lionel-hutz: oh whoops, they forgot the punctuation. It's supposed to say
"Americans have a year paid? Maternity? Leave!"
"What if you stepped on dog poop out on the street, and you went home without realizing it? What if the American father and mother and eldest son and eldest daughter all stepped on poop and went home without realizing it?"Unless I stop people at the door they will generally walk straight into my house tracking dirt all over my very pretty rugs. I don't understand how so many people can apparently live like that at their own place it's so nasty.
Bute think of all the time you spend taking boots on and off that you could have spent grinding on your hustle
You are uneducated.
Edit because I hate people talking about debates. There is nothing to debate, you are just propagandised. Debating you would be like debating a climate denier. All you have to say (and I know this before you even say anything because you lot are carbon copies of the same tired long-disproven state department talking points) would be better if you at least had the humility to entertain the notion you are in the wrong, and therefore should present your statements as questions.
Double edit: Define tankie without using "totalitarian" or "authoritarian". Then define those words
The Russian Federation is not communist I have no idea why you keep saying that. As for China, try to learn something today and read this
https://redsails.org/losurdo-on-china/
A tankie is literally someone who believes in authoritarian communism
How could you achieve communism or socialism without authoritarianism? Do you believe in revolution? Is a revolution not the most authoritarian process imaginable, the forced imposition of a new reality by one class unto another?
Define doctor without using the word help.
A doctor is someone who is learned in the knowledge of treating the sick. See, its actually easy when words have meanings.
I asked you not to use authoritarian and totalitarian because both words are devoid of meaning, functioning only to signify something bad or nefarious.
You have also wrongfully defined tankie even though you broke the rules.As for propaganda, are you saying that russia and china themselves spread propaganda that makes them look bad?
I know I use big words, but I believe in you buddy! You will be able to understand the text, maybe ask a grownup for help.
We so far have "authoritarian communism" and "authoritarian dictatorship" and a communist Russia. Your statements are at best meaningless. Even at their worst they're still really funny.
My problem is not with your economic system but the way you are enforcing it.
Happy to hear you are also against capitalism. I am also against how it is enforced. I must assume that is what you mean when you talk of my economic system, since that is the one within which I exist.
As for a fact i believe
Lmao, that's a great bit. Anyway neither Russia nor China claims to be communist, but we've been thru this - you are uneducated. It's really surprising with Russia though, seeing as how they don't even claim to be socialist or working towards communism. Are you confusing the russian federation for a union of soviet republics that hasn't existed in decades? Are you senile?
The only difference between the us and china is that in the us the business owners controll the politicians and in china the politicians controll the business owners.
I'm happy to see you're still able to visit Reddit, even after all the issue with the API and so on. There's actually a lot more differences including where they're located geographically, how you spell the names of the countries, who the president is, how people vote, how many people are in prison and for what reason, how many dogs the cops shoot, how stupid the average netizen is.
Anyway if you want me to take you seriously then figure out what a "tankie" is, define authoritarianism and totalitarianism. Bonus points if you manage to use a source that's not Wikipedia (that's a discussion that's a bit too advanced for you, we'll take that one another time). Until then I will treat you like the clown you behave as.
Thanks for coming right out of the gate raving about tankies so that everyone can just discard your opinion without wasting any time. Maybe participate in good faith. Ask for book recommendations to educate yourself. Or just keep using the liberal version of "everything I hate is because of woke" and remain ignorant forever. Up to you champ.
What did you watch, Innuendo Studios' How to Radicalize a Normie series or something? I find it kinda funny that you're being so vague about what exactly it is that bothers you about 'tankies' as opposed to other leftists because I'm pretty sure a lot of the people you're arguing with aren't Marxist-Leninists or anything. It's giving shadowboxing vibes.
You are literally talking out of your ass. If you were to educate yourself then you'd start out by asking questions and you wouldn't try to be evasive when challenged.
What you are actually doing is being a smug debate lord acting in bad faith, and if you could at least own up to it then we could all have a mucb more pleasant interaction.If you think watching youtube and "connecting the dots" of forum comments is educating yourself you are even more ignorant than I had assumed. Learn history from reputable historians. Become familiar with even basic Marxist economics. Those are things that are actually meaningful and enlightening unlike poorly thought out youtube videos that primarily exist to hunt for low effort clicks. You're just cruising on pure vibes based analysis without any of the underlying knowledge of the subject.
can you explain what you actually disagree with? and are the tactics in question just using wojaks and being a little rude sometimes?
It's honestly very wholesome to see this kind of interaction. On top of cute moments like Chinese users telling the new US users that they are their "spies," seeing a lot of blatant myth dispelling surrounding the PRC is great to help tear down the Red Scare.
tbf the people who will download this app are not scared by China in the first place
Circle jerking about China is as ridiculous as circle jerking about the US. We've been here before with US vs USSR, but this time everyone has a megaphone and an IQ that can be measured with a ruler.
Niether Moscow or Washington, but somehow Washington actually
Wow those sure are some thoughts you managed to have. Big boys and girl and gems usually like to talk to each other and listen. You should try it. Use your words. What is your critique of the USSR and why do you perceive "realising we've been propagandised about china" as being akin to a circle of people masturbating?
As a Polish person, if you say anything good about USSR without acknowledging it was shit stealing, people murdering, generation destroying piece of shit, I'd like to invite you to talk to some of the old people who remember, read diarys or fucking analysis.
Do you know they even decimated our fucking cuisine?
Sorry if you weren't implying anything positive about USSR, I have short fuse here.
As a Polish person
I can lie about my nationality and make shit up too Mr FBI agent.
Also the idea that old Polish people are a monolith is bloody fantastic.
I'd love to talk to more old people who overwhelmingly say life was better under the USSR. I'd love to talk to more people who voted to keep the USSR and got couped into a hellish decade of shock doctrine.
Yeah the ebil gommulist came and killed your food I read it in the NED funded Atlantic article. Christ you, of all people, should possess some level of ability to realize you've been lied to. "Oh things weren't great back then, so that means it's actually good we have child prostitution a cratering vaccination rate and so much more". Or are we going to the route of how things got super good because of EU membership? Ah yeah that shit is going great. But yeah the USSR wasn't perfect, so let's just gargle all the propaganda we can get and whenever we hear anything positive then it's either just regular old person nostalgia or an uninformed westerner or whichever other excuse you can pull out of your ass so you can continue brain-deadedly glorifiyng western Europe. Nevermind the fact France still dictates the financial policy of several African countries, which is just the tip of a very very very large iceberg.
Sorry I just get annoyed when people talk out of their ass and think "I come from an eastblock country" means anything, as if we aren't amongst those who have been stepped on by the American boot most of all.
Shame on you.What's your point? The west is shit? Not arguing here.
USSR good? Any old Polish people saying that? I'd love to meet them and check if they weren't high positioned in the Party at that time.
Edit: I wonder if a thought that some people might be missing USSR might be because of old propaganda materials ever visited you?
It’s funny that you think anyone cares about your opinion or your fascist shithole of a country.
You keep on coping there little buddy. What's happening is that regular people from both countries are now talking directly to each other, and finding out what life is actually like.
Uhhh, not exactly regular people. From what I've seen from the Rednote, at least my feed is wealthy upper-middle or upper class, while the Americans are from low to middle class.
not what I see in my feed, might depend on the interests you picked and whom you followed, etc
Lack of will on the part of Americans to engage on Chinese platforms like Xiaohongshu. The looming TikTok ban is what pushed people over the edge.
TikTok is a Chinese built platform, but it's built strictly for users outside of China. The Chinese version of TikTok is Douyin. You could've googled this yourself in the time it took you to write this comment.
Why are hexbears so rude, all I did was ask questions
disclaimer
This is a bit. I know you're not on hexbear and I don't think you're rude. I'm just parroting the line a lot of smug libs say upion getting rightly called out for behaving like assholes
I love how these types of trolls think they're being very sophisticated.
At first I downvoted, then I saw username@hexbear, then I laughed and upvoted.
Why? Tiktok is availabe in multiple countries with completely different language, culture and laws so why not China? Why have a different version of the app specifically for china?
I'm curious, what does this line of questioning have to do with my original comment?
I mean isn't this more "circle jerking " about dismantling state propaganda? Interacting with those you were told are your enemy?
Besides, people should always celebrate the positives, and look towards them as something that is possible in their country too.
And as an fyi: when we were here before, the workers revolution in Russia was new. The achievements were so profound that workers in North America began demanding similar concessions from our governments. There was a real threat of overthrowing the existing power structures. And what happened? Weekends, literacy, healthcare, just generally improved living conditions. To dismiss cultural exchange as circle jerking is to ignore history and the power that comes with knowing things are better elsewhere, and that you can have that too.
Make a point you verbose idiot. You said literally nothing of enough substance to know what's in your little rat brain.
Yes I am annoyed at someone making a stupid statement, proudly exhibiting their lack of knowledge and xenophobia. Why exactly do you think it is a bad thing to be able to be emotionally affected?
It appears that the general tone of this thread is an attempt at serious and jovial discussion, which entails empathy and taking each other seriously.
Would you rather not be taken seriously? Why?
Would you rather be treated with apathy? Why?You know if you're going to call everyone who disagrees with you stupid you should at least have a single point in any of your posts. It just doesn't land the way you're doing it here.
If what you're trying to get at is that whereas it is very important to unlearn the lies and exaggerations one was told about a country, that people also need to avoid replacing these lies with an overly simplistic and uncritical understanding of that same country, and that the current social media landscape makes it very difficult for many people to have the necessary nuance to avoid this pitfall... Then I would agree with you, but I'd also tell you that mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea, and that your standards of what counts as "circle-jerking" about a country are probably not nearly as inviting of nuance as you'd think.
...mentioning the eugenicists' favorite way of measuring "intelligence" is a very bad way of phrasing this idea...
100% agree. The IQ thing is a tired and lazy joke. I need to work on a replacement for that old jab.
no "Winnie the Pooh" refs
"they won't let me call the chinese man yellow" good, die madThis tactic didn't work in kindergarten either. Try to move on and grow up
i'm not here to judge how chinese people use memes. i'm here to tell you, a racist, to eat shit
You're fucking smearing a chinese person as yellow you shitbag
Dutch guy getting beat up after doing blackface: "Waah! It's a important cultural practice! You don't understand, it has nothing to do with race, Dutch people just have folklore stories about dark skinned fantasy creatures coming and stealing our stuff! You're the ones making it about race!"
wasnt the whole thing literally started by chinese people? were all those weibo users cia assets or people with internalized racism?
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And are you Chinese?
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I'm happy you've got a Chinese friend that tells you it's okay to be racist.
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The fact that you're unwilling to acknowledge the fact that this redditor shibboleth got popular amongst a bunch of white people has nothing to do with them finding yet another socially acceptable way to be racist is telling a lot we already knew about you.
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If a reactionary org of black people (I dunno of one but I'm sure there's some church or something) had satirically depicted Obama as curious George, do you think you could get away with calling him a monkey without being (rightfully) called a racist?
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Black people started using the n word among themselves casually, doesn't mean other people can just copy it and shield themselves from accusations of racism by saying Black people were doing it first.
so comparing xi to pooh is the same as calling a black person the n word? i wonder if chinese or asian people hold the same opinion
For real imagine living in a country where a faceless entity logs all of your financial activity without your consent and distills that information to summarize a person's character into a numerical score used to lock people out of securing housing or finding work, dystopian nightmare
If I have bad credit in the US, I don't get locked out of riding the bus. From the "no no it's totally not an Orwellian big brother system" article someone linked above trying to claim it's all BS:
These are often enforced by multiple agencies pursuant to joint punishment agreements covering such sectors as taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments.
These punishments are intended to incentivize legal and regulatory compliance under the often-repeated slogan of “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.”
There's also no credit-score check in the US for job applications, so no, it doesn't "lock people out of finding work."
Here, drew a picture of you
Imagine having the internet at your disposal, being able to immediately investigate your own assumptions, but instead you choose to just state blatantly wrong things and then get mad when you're called out for it.Consider wether digging a hole and then staying in it would be right for you. Consult your doctor
Facebook turned over chat messages between mother and daughter now charged over abortion.
This woman is serving two years in prison. But yeah, tell us how the US isn't "Orwellian".
There’s also no credit-score check in the US for job applications, so no, it doesn’t “lock people out of finding work.”
Employers may use credit report information to verify an applicant's identity and to look for signs of excessive debt or past financial mismanagement. Source: https://www.experian.com/blogs/ask-experian/why-employers-check-your-credit-report-and-what-they-see/
Employers discriminate very openly against applicants for a variety of reasons. Nepotism is one such way, AI filtering is an emergent way - there are plenty of other practices.
Good luck getting a job if you were ever convicted of a crime, no matter how innocuous, or even had a police report filed against you (for certain jobs with clearances) - with no convictions, evidence, or arrest. Even being arrested with charges dropped can disqualify you effectively.
And you better believe if you actually got arrested, every local newspaper has doxxed you - with full name, mug shot, even potentially your employment history and rough home address. All it takes is a name to get somebody's address because people search websites exist to compile all of the wonderful publicly available information.
If you have bad credit in the US, it prevents you from getting housing, or even renting an apartment.
As people posted to you several times, china's credit score exists to keep tabs on companies, and prevent excesses and corruption. Basic regulatory things that the US used to do in a few decades ago, but is now considered "authoritarian".
And prevents from getting a car, the main mode of transport in the US. Talking about being able to ride a bus in the US is comical.
Talking about being able to ride a bus in the US is comical.
Depends where you live. It's much more doable in the densest urban areas than it is somewhere rural. I have a friend who lives in Boston for example and he doesn't have a car, at all. Because Boston's mass transit is good enough for his routine needs. I can't do that here, however.
If you have bad credit in the US, it prevents you from getting housing, or even renting an apartment.
it also prevents you from getting a job nowadays and more and more employers are insisting on it.
Read beyond that point. The West distorts the scope and nature of the credit system to ludicrous degrees, nobody claims that there’s no such thing.
As I responded to you elsewhere, I did read beyond that point. Are you sure that you did?
I read the whole article, as it went on to describe more of what has been reported as having a “social credit score”, and gave more details about how it’s administered.
Basically, the headline is “no, it’s not at all what you’ve heard”, and then the article goes on to describe exactly what has been reported in the US. I’m not sure your point about “there’s no credit score that is administered by the Chinese government with a mechanism for blacklisting you and restricting you everywhere” is well-supported by an article that describes a credit score that is administered by the Chinese government that operates blacklists that are enforced under the slogan “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.”
If that’s not actually how it works, then you need to provide a credible source that proves that’s not how it works. Providing a source that reports that yes, that’s exactly how it works doesn’t serve your argument. And “well but the West is totally lying, maaan” isn’t proof; it’s an unverified claim by a random internet commenter.
So which part of this do you think is the part that addresses the clear and salient arguments you're arguing against?
I literally live in China. The scores apply to businessmen and not the average citizen. China isn't North Sentinel Island, you can literally come here.
No, it does not describe "exactly as what the western media depicted." The west reported utterly nonsense and unfounded ideas of facial recognition and tracking, among other ludicrous ideas out of a necessity to sensationalize.
Use your critical thinking skills, imagine a bus in a city of 10 million people during rush hour at a busy stop -- do you honestly think they're checking everyone's credit score before they get on? This shit is fake you have been duped
And how exactly would an individual be subject to oversight in matters like "taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments"? I know we have citizens united but corporations are not people lol
I know we have citizens united but corporations are not people lol
Citizens United didn't make corporations people. Corporate personhood had been a thing for a very long time, largely about whether or not forming a business means you lose legal rights operating under it (Does a business entity have freedom of speech? What does freedom of the press even mean in an 18th century context if it doesn't apply to a business [aka a newspaper]?) and whether or not regular old laws prohibiting a person from doing a thing can be applied to businesses.
Does this "being obtuse so as to not have to engage with an argument" shtick normally work?
Use your critical thinking skills, imagine a bus in a city of 10 million people during rush hour at a busy stop – do you honestly think they’re checking everyone’s credit score before they get on? This shit is fake you have been duped
Again, citation needed. "There's literally no way an internet-connected society that already requires payment to board a bus, usually via something like tap-to-pay, could ever possibly check your ID against a list of IDs before you get on the bus" is not convincing. Evidence is convincing, and I've seen none so far. I've only seen an article reporting that it actually happens.
The quote you're saying is ridiculous is from the article provided describing how the social credit system actually works in real life. If you can give me a credible source that demonstrates this isn't happening (instead of just your own lack of imagination to conceptualize tech that is already broadly implemented worldwide) then maybe that'd be more convincing than "I can't personally imagine how that would work, so it's impossible!"
I live in China. You put ¥2 into the slot and you get on. You can be wearing a fully balaclava, a face mask, or nothing. No-ones running ID on you to make sure your magical score is high enough before you are allowed to get on. You can get a transit token so you can tap on if you're cashless. They're sold without ID checks, foreigners can get them without speaking a word of Mandarin.
You have been lied to and now you're repeating those lies on the internet without even getting paid.
¥2
u fukin wot
that's 10p
I can't get a bus 200m for less than a pound
Again, citation needed.
But not if it's you saying racist shit lmao
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A still from some random persons shitty travel blog taken 6 months ago of her getting on the bus in China. What do you think that box is for, cookies for the driver?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=C0Ie9HYWejc
Feel free to watch for yourself, this is around minute 23. It took me 30 seconds to find this
By the way exchanges like this is why many people on left instances are outright hostile to liberals, making outlandish claims while being too fucking lazy to do even the bare minimum of independent research, racism to discount the voices of the people who are actually fucking from there saying 'no this is bullshit'
Like who are you going to believe a regurgitation of a state department talking point or a website full of normal ass Chinese people
I know the answer bc like all liberals you are racist and intellectually lazy
Why would such a feature need facial recognition? Just use the ID on the travel pass and done - cheaper, faster, and harder to fake if done properly.
The bus and metro passes are literally transferrable because they're just a token not tied to any ID. Also they accept cash, and you can buy passes at a kiosk.
I have personally even purchased a metro ticket for another person because we were going somewhere together and they left theirs at home. Within the last 2 weeks.
You have been lied to. There are no WMDs in Iraq, MSG isn't toxic, and Napoleon wasn't short either, if you just blatantly swallow everything you see.
When they reference Xi negatively they use Palpatine or some literary villain as a comparison. Using a yellow bear beloved by most of the world seems counter productive. Imagine if people compared Hitler to Charlie Chaplain due to likeness and not, say, Satan.
It really is astounding how much every sinophobes source is inevitably just Wikipedia.
Umm no it isn't sweaty, it clearly says the source is [organisation founded by Adrian zenz] and [organisation that funds Adrian zenz]
More and more I see them just sending either a duckduckgo search, or the first few links from that search, which is of course always from anglo-supremacist news sources.
To be clear, it is overwhelmingly Westerners that wish to depict a Chinese man as a yellow bear. You can talk about Pooh, just not in the way westerners tend to want to.
As for the Social Credit system, the version reported in western media is false and exaggerated. There is a credit system, but it's largely for businesses and other social entities, not some Orwellian big brother system.
Did you read your own link, or just grab the headline from a google search and call it "good enough?"
It’s true that, building on earlier initiatives, China’s State Council published a road map in 2014 to establish a far-reaching “social credit” system by 2020. The concept of social credit (shehui xinyong) is not defined in the increasing array of national documents governing the system, but its essence is compliance with legally prescribed social and economic obligations and performing contractual commitments. Composed of a patchwork of diverse information collection and publicity systems established by various state authorities at different levels of government, the system’s main goal is to improve governance and market order in a country still beset by rampant fraud and counterfeiting.
Under the system, government agencies compile and share across departments, regions, and sectors, and with the public, data on compliance with specified industry or sectoral laws, regulations, and agreements by individuals, companies, social organizations, government departments, and the judiciary. Serious offenders may be placed on blacklists published on an integrated national platform called Credit China and subjected to a range of government-imposed inconveniences and exclusions. These are often enforced by multiple agencies pursuant to joint punishment agreements covering such sectors as taxation, the environment, transportation, e-commerce, food safety, and foreign economic cooperation, as well as failing to carry out court judgments.
These punishments are intended to incentivize legal and regulatory compliance under the often-repeated slogan of “whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere.” Conversely, “red lists” of the trustworthy are also published and accessed nationally through Credit China.
This "being obtuse and belligerent" thing that all you dumbasses do is honestly sad. What's sadder is that it's not only encouraged and rewarded in your echo chambers.
The western forum is a sad state of affairs really. Just chock full of the most obvious and base level rhetorical parlor tricks. Wish you worms at least had to do basic work, but you do a debate club when you're 8 and you never move on. To quote the president: SADYes, I have. Have you read beyond that point? The West distorts the scope and nature of the credit system to ludicrous degrees, nobody claims that there's no such thing.
I read the whole article, as it went on to describe more of what has been reported as having a "social credit score", and gave more details about how it's administered.
Basically, the headline is "no, it's not at all what you've heard", and then the article goes on to describe exactly what has been reported in the US. I'm not sure your point about "there's no credit score that is administered by the Chinese government with a mechanism for blacklisting you and restricting you everywhere" is well-supported by an article that describes a credit score that is administered by the Chinese government that operates blacklists that are enforced under the slogan "whoever violates the rules somewhere shall be restricted everywhere."
If that's not actually how it works, then you need to provide a credible source that proves that's not how it works. Providing a source that reports that yes, that's exactly how it works doesn't serve your argument. And "well but the West is totally lying, maaan" isn't proof; it's an unverified claim by a random internet commenter.
No, it does not describe "exactly as what the western media depicted." The west reported utterly nonsense and unfounded ideas of facial recognition and tracking, among other ludicrous ideas out of a necessity to sensationalize.
Edit: the removed comment said that the social credit score existed based on this Wikimedia article.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Credit_System
In the Wikipedia article itself:
There has been a widespread misconception that China operates a nationwide and unitary social credit "score" based on individuals' behavior, leading to punishments if the score is too low. Media reports in the West have sometimes exaggerated or inaccurately described this concept.[7][8][9] In 2019, the central government voiced dissatisfaction with pilot cities experimenting with social credit scores. It issued guidelines clarifying that citizens could not be punished for having low scores, and that punishments should only be limited to legally defined crimes and civil infractions. As a result, pilot cities either discontinued their point-based systems or restricted them to voluntary participation with no major consequences for having low scores.[7][10] According to a February 2022 report by the Mercator Institute for China Studies (MERICS), a social credit "score" is a myth as there is "no score that dictates citizen's place in society".[7]
Wikipedia
Can you site a source more credible than a crowd sourced encyclopedia run by Americans
The invisible white supremacy at the center of liberalism: "You can't believe what those people say about their country; they're inherently untrustworthy. Only the word of white people is credible."
*feds. and the criteria for a credible source for them as they need to be western-aligned media. it's a complete joke.
did you just step off a tardis from 2015
