Dude was walking up to police with his hand out. They keep killing my people. It's so exhausting.

Edit: He might have a knife. I'm not sure if he does or if police are being scummy police.

Edit: Witnesses said he had a knife so that might just be true.

  • seksmisja [none/use name]
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    stab vests are a thing, tasers are a thing,but beyond all that, deescalation is a thing.

    While I agree with most of what you said, if someone is coming at me with a knife and I have a gun, I am shooting them. For one, a stab vest is gonna do jackshit when I stab you in the neck and tasers fail a good amount of times since they depend on prodes actually hitting your skin and both have to hit. When in close combat, you are better off just hitting someone on the head with the taser then actually firing.

    Maybe it's because of where I grew up and I have seen my fair share of stabbings, having hands cut off and getting gutted, but if you within 3 meters of me with a knife, I ain't gonna be deescalating you and playing nice with you, it's life or death and I ain't taking my chances

        • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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          for you specifically. if your response to someone near you having a knife is that they should be shot, you have no business being any form of police

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              yes, clearly i am a suburban brat who does not know what it is like to be stabbed at all.

              you are afraid of knives, and apparently poor people.

              get over it.

                • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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                  go to the poorest area in your country and try to talk your way out of a mugging.

                  just amusing how you think im a rich suburbanite, but you talk like one

                    • CantTrip [she/her]
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                      Dude you are having a fit right now and the desperation with which you accuse someone disagreeing with you of being sheltered is disturbing.

                      I'm truly sorry you grew up in a situation with lots of violence born out of poverty and have had to deal with lots of trauma. But using that as justification for defaulting to violence in every tense situation... while understandable,...is messed up.

                      I don't claim to know or understand your situation, but I've been mugged at gun point, etc. too I'm coming from a place of legit critique and not mockery

                      • crispyhexagon [none/use name]
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                        their immediate jump after being told they speak like a rich suburbanite was to "ebonics" and not to reflect on the fact that theyd just equated being poor with being a violent criminal.

                        as though we didnt all just watch a man die because the cops did that same bigoted math of black=poor=criminal=imminent deadly threat.

                        like, i appreciate you trying to be understanding and all, but assuming im sheltered is about the least disgusting thing that was thrown out there.

                        • CantTrip [she/her]
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                          Yeah there was more disgusting things but I think it's prudent to stand firm against people who try to garner support for reactionary/ racist/ fascist notions by claiming it's endemic to their experience of living in poverty. I see it too much... "calling out to attractive women is just how it is in my neighborhood lol you rich kid scolds wouldn't last a day here."

                          And the you see even true blue leftists rally around that because (a) the current American online left does trend college-educated white so there's collective guilt and (b) the left purports to value lived experiences as valid in building a world-view

                          And yeah lived experiences are valid! But when that results in a claim that is reasonable for someone in a extremely powerful and well- equipped organization to use lethal force against someone in a systemically oppressed and brutalized community because of a knife.... no no no no no

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                            fair enough.

                            i genuinely just discarded that as nonsensical (shouldnt be a cop? well you grew up rich, internetperson!) and didnt consider that it might be convincing as an argument to anyone.

                            cause... that last bit is where im at

                            "when that results in claiming use of lethal force against systemically oppressed people is justified; no." to paraphrase

                            anyways, we're on the same page :rat-salute: