ive never bought the "dam he went on tucker and 'legitimized' him!!!"
like fam, carlson is pretty legitimate to people who watch him
if you refuse to platform greenwald, who obviously i have tons of criticisms of but is nonetheless more anti-imperial than anyone else at the intercept, then he will go to whatever is open to him
these people dont care if its tucker or maddow or whoever, because maddow and tucker and whoever else are all the same pieces of shit
it says more about the essential failure OR refusal to platform anti-imperial or even vaguely critical journalists by the "left" liberals in the US than it does anything about greenwald himself
if you look at this and go "haha that greenwald what a dumbass how dare he go on tucker" then you're missing the much larger point which is that ONLY TUCKER IS GONNA PLATFORM THIS GUY
DONT U THINK THAT MAYBE SAYS SOMETHIN
the whole thing is a priority order issue for leftists. international issues are simply more important than domestic politics when it comes to the US, because of the US' hegemonic role in the world. that's just how it is
he aids tucker’s white nationalist narrative
How in the world is he doing that? The clips I've seen are him yelling at Trump to pardon Snowden and pull out of Afghanistan and shit, with the refrain that it'll be popular to do so. He's selling a leftist message to a right-wing audience, which makes him a fucking hero - along with everything else awesome he's done in life.
seems happy to do so
Ah, yes, the known White nationalist Glenn Greenwald, merrily spreading racism once again.
I feel Tucker plays a lot of lefties who get shunned in the mainstream media. Notice how they're almost always on the show to talk about how bad Democrats are, and rightfully so. Only problem is, most of his viewers are being fed reasons to hate true leftist ideologies, as most of them are dumb enough to believe Biden is a communist, thus anything that would help people gets associated with their view of liberal politicians.
Am I just babbling? Or am I saying something coherent?
The internal logic of what you're saying is sound - if Tucker's leftists guests were only there to smear Democrats, that would be them playing into his hand. But is that the case?
Like, here's Jimmy Dore on Tucker and he's saying that the popular thing to do would be pass a stimulus and universal healthcare. The only mention of Democrats is to tell Trump to offer double of whatever stimulus package Nancy Pelosi offers. He's not actually attacking Democrats, he's just trying to push Republicans left on economics and war, which ultimately would make the job of progressive Democrats easier.
carlson's entire project is entirely domestic and he only allows for greenwald's tepid but still present anti imperialism because he can weaponize it domestically
regardless, this is to a domestic end
greenwald's overall project is still anti imperialism pretty clearly, though, even if his specific brand of anti imperialism has its problems
so if the net result of this is bad domestic messaging and comparatively good foreign policy messaging then uh yeah great
anti imperialists are in short supply in the us and they'll take whatever platform they can get
Whatever you think of Biden or Greenwald, Greenwald is 1000% right that the media (esp Twitter and Facebook) engaged in pro-Biden censorship. I mean, CNN and MSNBC carry water for the Dem leadership everyday, but this was just egregious. Not being able to share a story because it makes the media's favorite candidate look bad? Holy fuck is that bad and sets a precedent for them to block fucking anything.
The Intercept is claiming that they were only trying to edit his writing so that it's "accurate and fair"... which sounds reasonable, but the devil's in the details about what's actually "fair", and they only promise to tell the full story "in time", which doesn't make their case sound strong. They say he was going to spread 'the Trump campaign's dubious claims', which I kinda doubt as well - he doesn't have a record of just spreading right-wing bullshit. Worst case scenario, he'd be doing the same thing the mainstream media did with RussiaGate - repeatedly spread the Democratic leadership's dubious claims. Demanding to edit his story because they disagree with the accuracy is censorship - let the issue be argued publicly if Greenwald believes it so strongly.
The Intercept remains one of the better publications, but I'm team Glenn all the way. He's a true believer in telling the truth as he sees it - even an honest fool is more useful than a lying sage, and he's no fool. We need a million of him.
frankly kind of disappointing how many people here stan the intercept
greenwald has published some wonderful pieces of anti imperialism and on that front is a net positive, but the intercept REGULARLY PUBLISHES US IMPERIAL PROPAGANDA, so with him gone its like wtf is the merit of the intercept now
oh they're gonna publish some lukewarm jacobin tier garbage about cops being bad? come the fuk on, the intercept used to be about publishing snowden tier shit
Nice.
I will also, in a separate post, publish all communications I had with Intercept editors surrounding this article so you can see the censorship in action and, given the Intercept’s denials, decide for yourselves (this is the kind of transparency responsible journalists provide
See? He's already making a better case than The Intercept did.
Don't have time to read the full thing, but running through the first few pages it seems as well-documented, nuanced, and detailed as ever. Trump propaganda it is not.
You have to be really suspicious about this push to discredit journalists like Greenwald and Taibbi. They've been embarrassing the ruling class for decades. They've demonstrated where their allegiance lies. Their enemies are our enemies and shouldn't be trusted for a second.
The rough part is all the clearly pro-trump people latching on to Greenwald and this story as vindication of everything they've been saying. there is no object truth reality is a simulation shut it off plz
Sure, but if Trump supporters are saying that the sky is blue, that doesn't mean we should insist on the opposite. The media is killing its own reputation through bias and we shouldn't be going down with their sinking ship. They dragged Bernie every way they could too.
Objective truth is a difficult thing to arrive at philosophically speaking. But corporate media spewing lies and defending one faction of the elites over another is obviously fucked up. If their lies catch up to them and more people abandon them - good.
Who gives a shit? Fox does the same. Objectivity does not Exist.
There are wiffs here and there of a democratic loss. Articles talking about the need to focus on the senate. Lines actually not really that long or at all out side of places designed to make lines. Republicans out voting democrats in Miami and florida in general. Silencing Glen Greenwald. The talk of Texas and Georgia going blue again.
Iono. I just listened to belt way garage and they where pretty confident on biden landslide. Than listened to bad faith a few days later and it seems like Moore was more or less saying he thinks trump is gong to win. So iono
I've always kind of thought that Glenn truly believes "take the fight to them" angle which I do understand, because we have had some pretty good leftists go on some of their shows and really put in some work that blows up their narrative. At the same time it's so clear he's being used to further a bad agenda when he goes on Tucker, I would think he's smarter, but I also think he can be so up his ass sometimes where he can't actually see what's happening.
this is baby brained american leftist shit
anti imperialists are aware that the platforms they can get are unsavory
however, the domestic concerns of those platforms are less important than anti imperialist messaging, so if youre an anti imperialist you jump to any large platform you can even if they're unsavory because anti imperialism is systemically stamped out in the US
Seems to me if he did this in two weeks it would be totally fine. Complaining about Biden censorship now is not ideal.
Well, if you are Glenn Greenwald, then standing up for your liberal brainworms is clearly more important.
Actually, US politics is EXTREMELY important. Whether Trump or Biden wins, less so.
Yeah, case in point: Glen Greenwald jerking off his ego by showing the world that he is such a principled liberal that he will attack Biden right before the election for something that literally had nothing to do with Biden and everything to do with him surrounding himself with fucking jack asses.
I'm not sure responding to chapo.chat threads while I am bored on night shift qualifies as fixated.
I like the chapo community, don't get me wrong, but going from the only thing on earth is Bernie Sanders to edgey electorialism doesn't even matter threads is pretty cringe, and the image above is this sort of thing elevated to the national stage.
electoralism isn't real is an oversimiplification. There are contradicitons within the bourgeoisie and those contradictions play out electoral politics. Voting isn't a vehicle for revolution as such, but which factions of the Bourgeoisie control the organs of state power has real domestic and international implications.
To suggest otherwise is, in my opinion, to fall victim to anarco-edgeyism
chapo.chat should be a vanguard space where we can openly discuss contraditions within the bourgesoisie. If you are conducting propoganda among the masses, then you should adjust your praxis according to the needs of the situation.
I want a strong proletarian party as much as the next comrade, but process of making one isn't really contingent on which faction of the bourgeoisie is in power. Spontenaity isn't going to build a party, tactics, organizaiton, serving the people and spreading class conciousness is going to do that.
All I am is saying is let's have an adult coversation about tactics in relation to the election for a month or two out of every 4 years. In two weeks, we can go back to ignoring who the president is again and lGlenn Greenwald can go back to being a lib.
If someone has an argument for electing Trump, I'm all ears. I haven't seen one that convinces me so far though.
I'm not telling anyone to knock on 5000 doors a day for Biden, I am just pointing out that Glen is being an anarco-edgyist oppourtunisitic libearal by going on Tucker Carlson to push this message right now. I could be wrong and he is a super sercret Juche warrior playing over 9k dimensional chess.
By saying he is self-interested is agreeing he is an oppourtunist. Whether he is a liberal or sociopathic is open to intepretation I suppose.
Chomsky being downvoted for the most Chomsky of takes smdh...
