North Korea is the only thing I'll give you. But if you're going to give him credit for that, then you need to do the same for Obama with Cuba and Iran. Saying that Hillary would've invaded Iran is a counterfactual, and we have Trump carrying out by far the most direct escalation with Iran since the Jimmy Carter.
I'll absolutely give Obama credit for Cuba and Iran. Those were two great things he did. He also did shit like bombing Libya to the point where they now have literal slave markets, and helped create the power vacuum that led to ISIS in the Middle East. Trump hasn't started a war, and the blood on his hands is definitely less than Obama.
Trump hasn't started a war, but he has tried to start a war with Iran. And he has worsened every single war Obama inherited and started. More bombings, more drone strikes, more troops on the ground.
And then he backed down despite the advice of his generals. Trump is not beholden to the American imperial apparatus in the way that Obama et al were and will be, and that's partially why they hate him so much.
Whatever you think of the Iran deal, it sure as shit wasn't assassinating Iranians and nearly starting a war.
Watching so many otherwise sensible leftists bend over backwards to defend Trump is fucking embarrassing. Shit like this absolutely hurts the left because any ordinary person can see that going from peace to military exchanges is bad.
North Korea is the only thing I'll give you. But if you're going to give him credit for that, then you need to do the same for Obama with Cuba and Iran. Saying that Hillary would've invaded Iran is a counterfactual, and we have Trump carrying out by far the most direct escalation with Iran since the Jimmy Carter.
I'll absolutely give Obama credit for Cuba and Iran. Those were two great things he did. He also did shit like bombing Libya to the point where they now have literal slave markets, and helped create the power vacuum that led to ISIS in the Middle East. Trump hasn't started a war, and the blood on his hands is definitely less than Obama.
Trump hasn't started a war, but he has tried to start a war with Iran. And he has worsened every single war Obama inherited and started. More bombings, more drone strikes, more troops on the ground.
And then he backed down despite the advice of his generals. Trump is not beholden to the American imperial apparatus in the way that Obama et al were and will be, and that's partially why they hate him so much.
How the fuck is killing Soleimani backing down? Why is everyone in this thread ignoring that?
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They wouldn't have tanked the Iran nuclear deal and then started a regional crisis on Twitter.
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Whatever you think of the Iran deal, it sure as shit wasn't assassinating Iranians and nearly starting a war.
Watching so many otherwise sensible leftists bend over backwards to defend Trump is fucking embarrassing. Shit like this absolutely hurts the left because any ordinary person can see that going from peace to military exchanges is bad.
He did not "puss out". He is currently actively antagonizing Iran, stealing their oil tankers and weapon shipments. He did that this week.
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All we have to go on here is history. Obama de-escalated with Iran. Trump escalated more than any president since the coup.
Edit: can somebody please fucking refute this claim instead of just downvoting it?
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McCain ran on "bomb bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" and 100 years in Iraq