Honestly me. It was Bolivia that overturned my reluctance for authoritarian action.
Allende’s Chile and Castro’s assassination attempts for me. History class kinda tankpilled me honestly
that doesn't follow for me. To be clear I support 'authoritarian' and violent action of course but it makes no sense to decide it is somehow different when we do it.
Liberal through sobs you can't just purge everything...please... Corbyn points at seagull flying past Purged
Gestapo wrapping itself in the Israeli flag, so if you attack him you're actually hitting the Jews instead.
Ah cool. I'm sure that conflating criticism of Israel and antisemitism for short term political gain won't backfire at all.
You mean that socialist activity leads to an organized reaction both on the outside as well as within groups that allow liberals/bourgeois people to remain in them?
She was removed from the cabinet. He is now moving towards excluding it from the party itself.
wow this seems very cool huh “The group said it had used software to search for terms linked to leftwing antisemitism, such as ‘Zionist’, ‘Mossad’ and ‘Rothschild’, alongside Starmer’s name over the past 30 days.”
Any prospects for a new leftist electoral project, or is that futile at this point?
If you want to go through electoral channels in the US or the UK, you'd first have to completely overhaul their electoral systems to make a worker's party a viable option. I don't think entryism is possible in large, centre-left-ish parties like Labour or the Democrats. AFAIK, all evidence says that leftist electoral successes take place in multiparty systems, not in systems where you have to share your only platform with a majority of neolib ghouls.
Yea. I was thinking about how, if we had a decent sized communist party in the US, how it would relate to an event like a judicial coup and Trump staying in office. I don't think we can be expected to go out in the streets risking life and limb for either Joe Biden or to defend the American form of government.
I think the communist line would be taking to the streets and demanding a new form of government. Scrap the constitution. Start from scratch. Demand a "people's parliament" of sorts to lay out a new form of government. This won't necessarily lead to communism or anything. But it provides an opening for communists to organize and engage with the masses.
I think that's going similar to the path that UK comrades will have to follow.
Entryism into the current bourgeois government has been shown time and time again to fail. I don't see any reason to believe that anarchist insurrection would be more successful. Radical labor unions are basically dead in the west. Maoist guerilla warfare makes no sense in current situation.
I think the communist line would be taking to the streets and demanding a new form of government. Scrap the constitution. Start from scratch. Demand a “people’s parliament” of sorts to lay out a new form of government. This won’t necessarily lead to communism or anything. But it provides an opening for communists to organize and engage with the masses.
I agree, although scrapping the constitution would be an extremely hard sell in the US. To us, it's obvious that it was written to legitimize and secure the economic interests of slave-holding settler colonialists, and that it still produces outcomes along these lines, but the libs are convinced that things like the 2000 election or any shenanigans that could come out of this election are failings of the system. They do not see that bypassing the will of the people, that overriding the majority is an outcome entirely possible and even desired within the limits of the US constitution.
I'm not a fan of liberal democracy, but the US constitution doesn't even deliver on that. America is, foundationally and intentionally, set up to be an oligarchy, not a liberal democracy, and reliably works as an oligarchy in practice.
If you aggressively go with the "fuck the constitution, try something else" angle, it'll alienate a ton of people. But if you say that the system isn't working and needs a complete overhaul to be democratic in more than name only, you'd not only still be correct, you could also get libs on board who are devastated by yet another instance of Trump winning despite losing the popular vote, or by Republicans using the courts to override electoral results yet again.
We got to frame it like "we need a new constitutional convention" because Americans worship that founding father shit
I don't think we have much disagreement. I don't think the pitch is "fuck the constitution." I think it requires a period of propagandizing the failures of the constitution as a governing document, tons of street protest and labor unrest, likely violent confrontations with the state.
There would have to be so much instability that the bourgeoisie allow for a people's parliament, new constitutional convention, however you want to frame it, as a means of pacifying the masses.
It's wild how incapable they've become of stabilizing the system that guarantees their wealth. I guess it's inevitable when nations constantly compete for lower taxes, lower wages, less worker protections, but it's still so ridiculous that the bourgoisie views the moderate left as a threat to their interests and not as the only thing that could save them from getting a very short haircut :gui:
nice thread. You two make me think that we need to behave as the Indian people in their pursuit of independence in the 20th. Drive them out! Non-violently, of course. Looking for our Gandhi.
It's all so ghoulishly slow - way back in 2011 I was excited to vote on AV, only for the debate to be focused entirely around it being a Lib Dem ploy to usurp the government. 67% vote against. Never brought up again.
Yeah, it's extremely hard to pull off, the only successful case i know of is New Zealand in 1996.
Australia introduced it when a second conservative party started to split the vote causing a left wing candidates to win with a minority vote. In 1918.
“[W]e found that the Labour Party is legally responsible for the harassment evidenced in two of the 70 complaint files… These included using antisemitic tropes and suggesting that complaints of antisemitism were fake or smears.”
the fricken tropes!!!!!
Corbyn in contrast did nothing. His guiding principle was to conceal the gravity of the attacks being prepared by the right-wing from the working class. Corbyn’s refusal to legally challenge the EHRC report was despite his own supporters crowdfunding over £330,000 this year for him to defend himself after it became clear that he faced possible legal action.
yeah he's a sweet little cupcake
so let me get this straight. if you criticize israel, you are an antisemite, and if you push back against that, it is more evidence you are antisemitic, and any further criticism will result in being purged from the party?
The EHRC report is a political fraud that does not establish widespread anti-Semitism on the left because it cannot. The report politely questioned by Corbyn and held up as sacrosanct by Starmer admits, “We examined 70 complaints of antisemitism made to the Labour Party between March 2016 and May 2019.” Under the section, “Prevalence of antisemitic conduct in the complaint sample,” it states, “[W]e found that the Labour Party is legally responsible for the harassment evidenced in two of the 70 complaint files… These included using antisemitic tropes and suggesting that complaints of antisemitism were fake or smears.”
2 out of 70 over 3 fucking years is "Widespread antisemitism in the labour party" ?
Lol what exactly did you people think that the British "left" was really about?
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