• 4_AOC_DMT [any]
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      4 years ago

      If it’s really annoying me, a melatonin a few hours before sleeping. Don’t make it a habit except as a last resort.

      I feel like this one's really important for people who know about melatonin, but don't know much about the biochemistry. Don't encourage your body to down-regulate melatonin production. Shit's hard to recover from. I don't take it unless I absolutely need to and I don't take it on two consecutive nights.

  • wackpatrol [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    you just dont sleep

    at least thats what ends up happening for me

    same with eating though lmao im so fucked

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them]MA
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    4 years ago

    no idea, I work graveyards so my sleep schedule literally changes day by day. I guess it's partially coped by "Reappropriating" labor value from the overlords, not giving a fuck about bullshit corporate rules, shitting on company time, occasionally napping on the job, and reading theory. Once in a while when my sleep schedule is so fucked up from having to sleep in the afternoon and I just can't knock out, I'll go 24+ hours to wear myself down until I crash and reset my shitty sleep schedule. Don't really recommend that if you're doing serious work and you're not exactly experienced enough to operate while heavily sleep deprived.

    Just do you, and something will happen.

  • melonhead [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    tell myself "at least i am resting my body" over and over till i half believe it, so i suffer less while i lay there and prepare for the suffering the next day will bring.

      • melonhead [none/use name]
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        4 years ago

        i've had a diagnosed sleep disorder since i was a wee teen, so unfortunately, many nights it simply will not happen for me. i just chill and accept it and prep 4 pain.

  • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    i try to either sleep like an hour in the day or resist during the day to sleep and try to only sleep during the night

  • Pol_Pan [he/him,they/them]
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    4 years ago

    I usually just have to kinda force reset my brain by forcing myself to wake up early. You lose sleep for that night but hopefully it’ll put u back on a normal ish schedule.

  • aqwxcvbnji [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    CharlesMarks' list in this thread is good, but I'd add one more thing: a steady rhythm. Wake up the same time every day. Choose a time you want to get up in the morning, set your alarm, accept that the first day is just a "lost day" where you'll be tired the entire day, but from that moment on every day will be better. It won't take long before you wake up before your alarm. But the key is consistency, you have to do it every day.

    I'd also advise to work out every day (eg one day jogging, the other day upper body, so your muscles can rest) and I don't have any advise with taking melatonin.

  • BOK6669 [none/use name]
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    4 years ago

    I used to sleep 12ish-7:30ish without fail, I could actually wake up at the same time every day without an alarm clock. Very healthy sleep life.

    Then I began to work shift schedule, so like maybe one day 8-4, the next day midnight to 8 and the next 4pm to 12pm. The biggest problem I had going to sleep was anxiety, it would just keep me up. I'd get out of bed, no sleep and go to work angry that my life became this way. (Past tense but I'm not out of this shit yet. No one should work shift schedule, it is AWFUL for you. You need consistency!) You think your shitty 9-5 job is bad? Try doing it at all times of the day with no sleep!!! UGH!!!

    Anyway, this is what I have come to after over two years experience doing this:

    PRE-SLEEP

    No sunlight. I used a $7 movers blanket from Wal-Mart to block up my window.

    No caffeine a few hours before sleep.

    Figure out what your sleeping position is.

    Try to understand what bothers when you try to sleep in advance, I like to sleep with a fan lightly on and not much clothes on. No wrestling with a tight shirt when it's already off.

    No sounds or TV, phone.

    Have your alarm set to give you peace of mind that youll be reminded to get out of bed.

    Have your shit for the next day already put out.

    I work out but not always, I'm not sure how important it really is.

    Definitely use ZzzQuil but use melatonin sparingly. (my opinion)

    TRYING TO SLEEP

    Close your eyes duh.

    Now this is going to sound weird, like lucid dreaming bullshit but I'm trying to more describe the mechanics behind "counting sheep."

    Start imagining things in your head. Maybe to be clear, let your mind wander. Really try to stay away from things that make you really think (politics, family, job.) I usually like to imagine going through tunnels really fast, or look into the patterns my closed eyes will make against my eyelids.

    (literally like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZvmDngm1M&ab_channel=ChillyGooseEntertainment)

    (and this: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/why-do-i-see-patterns-when-i-close-my-eyes_b_7597438?guccounter=1)

    The optimal state is your mind wandering although forcing yourself to imagine things can be a gateway to your mind wandering.

    You need to get the point where your mind is imagining things and you're completely focused on whatever your imaging. If you're doing it right, you'll feel yourself snap back into the reality of you being anxious and in bed. That part sucks but if you can do that "snap back," you were in my experience, actually pretty close to falling asleep, even if you knew you were awake the entire time.

    Getting lost in your imagination, in my opinion, is the gateway to being taken away into sleep. I think when people say "Count Sheep" that legitimately has some water, it didn't come from nothing, but not the explanation behind how it works. I think it's because most of us learned it from cartoons or just as a pithy anecdote from people who don't understand the underlying problem. Which is "no shut the hell up brain" also the task of counting seems like the last fucking thing you'd want to do

    It's okay to stay in bed for an hour or more (it feels like a really long time) trying to achieve sleep, but in my experience, it's completely normal.

    edit: Just thinking about it, maybe the reason why people unintentionally fall asleep to movies and TV isn't just because they are comfortable, but because their mind is wandering and the movie is simulating what your mind does normally to fall asleep.

    Double edit: People are saying "being in bed eyes closed is atleast something." I dunno if thats wrong, Ive also seen sleep experts say that if ur at a point where you know youre not sleeping just go do something else. But this is seemingly very bougie advice, what if I need to drive somewhere an hour and a half away when I "wake up"

    LASTLY

    Get a more comfortable bed if you can. My other problem was that I was sleeping on a mattress that was too old and too worn to really be sleeping on (big ass dip in the middle), I'd wake up with knee and back pain. I would often wake up with my arm completely asleep. I had decided that I was going to spend a lot of my life in my bed and my current job needed me to be able to get good sleep at shitty hours, so I had to invest in a better bed.