• weshallovercum [any]
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    There is no factional war within bourgeois, there is no evidence of such thing. Their common class interests trumps everything else. There has never been any historical event where bourgeios of one ideology killed bourgeois of other. Also conservative bourgeois absolutely care about GDP, imperialism, etc. All of those are essential aspects of capitalism.

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      There's always a diversity of interests within the bourgeoise, a monopolist is in conflict with the petit or simply smaller bourgeois, exporters with importers. Further, the American Civil War was a massive fucking bourgeois conflict between the slave-owning and industrial bourgeoise.

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        Ok show me the evidence of this conflict, like anything other than just your opinion. Any source outside of chapo.chat

        • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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          I actually don't totally buy it in 2020. You went overboard with your historical analysis--the bourgeois do fight from time to time--and the ACW is an example.

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      There has never been any historical event where bourgeios of one ideology killed bourgeois of other.

      Imbecile alert

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        Ok give me examples of bourgeios killing each other due to ideological conflict

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          La Violencia, WWII, various Central American civil wars, USAmerican Civil War, revolutions of 1848, argentine coup of 1930, Swiss Civil War

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      There literally is. One half wants full-on globalized neoliberalism and the other wants to return to 19th century monopoly capitalism. Trump wouldn't be so decisive if it was just his words that was affecting liberals.

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        You have no idea what you're talking about, what the hell is "18th century monopoly capitalism"? Please provide sources for your claim.

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            Jesus christ, logic 101 : It is the person making the claim that is supposed to provide evidence.

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                What claim? The claim that the other person didn't provide evidence lol??

                Just give me evidence that there is factional war between the bourgeois. Any evidence, even a Jacobin article will do, so that I can analyze it and see how true it is.

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                    https://critiqueofcrisistheory.wordpress.com/three-books-on-marxist-political-economy/

                    Highly recommend reading Anwar Shaikh's criticism of monopoly capital.

                    But to get to the point, you have shown me no proof of bourgeois factional conflict.

    • Young_Lando [none/use name]
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      Completely ahistorical take. Even if you dont read books, you understand the concept of New Money vs Old Money, yeah?

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        I said give me evidence. If there is proof that there exists a real conflict between the bourgeois, surely some experienced political commentators, or Marxist theorists or even the intelligence agencies will be talking about it. Show me any proof at all