• IOKATH [he/him]
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    lmao John Mulaney said that regardless of who wins, the rich will continue to prosper while the poor languish, and the libs got mad

    I always liked him lol

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        I also liked his bit on Cuomo, especially because I never watched or listened to his covid updates so I have no idea if he really babbled on about his family lol

        Mulaney also had a thing in one of his specials where he touched on how many people (him included) didn't criticize Obama for committing war crimes because he seemed smart and polite. Perfectly describes what's going on with Biden vs Trump

      • ProfessionalSlacker
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        He's very good at that. He'll slip in little jabs at politicians like Obama between the punchlines

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          Why? Never been much of a Burr fan but his bit on white feminism felt pretty on point, even if it's been said before. It made the rich lib studio audience uncomfortable. Points.

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            It also was all about how cancel culture is really and other BS. There’s a reason all the chuds I went to highschool with posted it.

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            The fact that it's Bill Burr, a white man, saying this seems disingenuous. It sounds more like a pretext to hate on feminism than an earnest call for more intersectional feminism.

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      Pretty sure he was also a B*rnie Bro too. We love our tall child, don't we folks?

  • elwoodblues [any]
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    I don't get why they tie themselves in knots to convince themselves that joe fucking Biden of all people is some hero of the left. If you think he's better than Trump sure I guess whatever but don't try to sell me this horse shit about how he's gonna single handedly save the world because his entire fucking career has een spent engineering the shithole we live in now

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      • BeamBrain [he/him]
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        Liberals also claim to view fascists and marxists as the same (a la horseshoe theory) but there is some doubt over whether they actually believe this, versus finding it a convenient thing to say in order to consolidate power.

        If anything, they hate Marxists more.

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          • elwoodblues [any]
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            Heres how I see it: the "cosmopolitan bourgeois" wants above all to remain the dominant class. The conservative bourgeois does hate them, but the liberal bourg will do anything to try to remain in their position and will agree to any demand made of them by the conservative bourg, up to and including killing those on the actual left. This probably wont be enough to save them, but they will still do it. They dont do it now because they dont have to yet but i believe that they will if they feel itd save their own skin.

              • The_word_of_dog [he/him]
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                Does it actually slow it down though?

                I'm just about convinced that throwing joe biden into the presidency will just piss off the right wing enough to start thinking about organizing.

          • LeninsRage [he/him]
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            "You fucking idiots, you fucking morons, you're giving away the goddamn game with your stupid antics. Stop fucking shooting poor people just like straight up. Just fucking stop. There's a better way."

      • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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        4 years ago

        There was a civil war analysis thread the other day

        i loved that post, but it really gave me a good look of the diferences bourgeois factions in the US that i didnt know existed, i think this election will affect the US stability no matter the outcome

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          Never believe anything without proof. Can you find any proof that the bourgeois is divided into factions?

          • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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            Do you believe that there is no distinction between the Petite Bourgeoisie and the Haute Bourgeoisie? No distinction between industrial capital and finance capital? These are distinctions which have been theorized and observed within the Bourgeoisie for generations.

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        There is no factional war within bourgeois, there is no evidence of such thing. Their common class interests trumps everything else. There has never been any historical event where bourgeios of one ideology killed bourgeois of other. Also conservative bourgeois absolutely care about GDP, imperialism, etc. All of those are essential aspects of capitalism.

        • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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          There's always a diversity of interests within the bourgeoise, a monopolist is in conflict with the petit or simply smaller bourgeois, exporters with importers. Further, the American Civil War was a massive fucking bourgeois conflict between the slave-owning and industrial bourgeoise.

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            Ok show me the evidence of this conflict, like anything other than just your opinion. Any source outside of chapo.chat

            • AlexandairBabeuf [they/them]
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              I actually don't totally buy it in 2020. You went overboard with your historical analysis--the bourgeois do fight from time to time--and the ACW is an example.

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          There has never been any historical event where bourgeios of one ideology killed bourgeois of other.

          Imbecile alert

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            Ok give me examples of bourgeios killing each other due to ideological conflict

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              La Violencia, WWII, various Central American civil wars, USAmerican Civil War, revolutions of 1848, argentine coup of 1930, Swiss Civil War

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          There literally is. One half wants full-on globalized neoliberalism and the other wants to return to 19th century monopoly capitalism. Trump wouldn't be so decisive if it was just his words that was affecting liberals.

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            You have no idea what you're talking about, what the hell is "18th century monopoly capitalism"? Please provide sources for your claim.

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                Jesus christ, logic 101 : It is the person making the claim that is supposed to provide evidence.

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                    What claim? The claim that the other person didn't provide evidence lol??

                    Just give me evidence that there is factional war between the bourgeois. Any evidence, even a Jacobin article will do, so that I can analyze it and see how true it is.

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                        https://critiqueofcrisistheory.wordpress.com/three-books-on-marxist-political-economy/

                        Highly recommend reading Anwar Shaikh's criticism of monopoly capital.

                        But to get to the point, you have shown me no proof of bourgeois factional conflict.

        • Young_Lando [none/use name]
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          Completely ahistorical take. Even if you dont read books, you understand the concept of New Money vs Old Money, yeah?

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            I said give me evidence. If there is proof that there exists a real conflict between the bourgeois, surely some experienced political commentators, or Marxist theorists or even the intelligence agencies will be talking about it. Show me any proof at all

    • Blarglefargle [he/him]
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      It’s double weird cause she made a Twitter post about how he was shir and how she understood peoooe not voting fit him but to please vote local earlier this month.

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      I don’t get why they tie themselves in knots to convince themselves that joe fucking Biden of all people is some hero of the left.

      Absolutely none of them say that. They just would rather slow fascism down, not accelerate it like you dixie cups.

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        Look at the comments under the tweet. Plenty of people are saying that. People who honestly believe that biden will bring about a $15 min wage, universal healthcare, etc. Nothing will fundamentally change

      • PorkrollPosadist [he/him, they/them]
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        There is a difference between acceleration, and simply acknowledging the reality we live in. Increasing militant resistance is being met with violent retaliation and lynchings from the police and armed militia nutjobs. The rhetoric on the right is growing increasingly fascistic, dehumanizing, and detached from reality. Attempts to cook the election are growing more and more blatant, and we have an ascendant center vying for a liberal restoration which is completely comfortable with the state repression being doled out to those inconvenient troublemakers on the left.

        It is not accelerationist to declare Biden is not fit for this moment. It is the simple truth. Nor does this small corner of the Internet hold the power to influence events at such a scale. If only we did.

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          I thonk you meant to reply to the comment below mine edit: ope just saw thar you did lol sorry

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          I mean unless lightning was gonna strike Biden's had it since April as the only viable opposition against Trump. So that's it.

          If it doesn't happen soon, it's gonna spill over in the streets. Which makes it pretty illusory, honestly. But it's the small things like between a meager raise in minimum wage vs. trying to abolish tips so the establishment gets to keep them all.

          • Blurst_Of_Times [he/him,they/them]
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            He "had it" because the DNC and corporate media committed blatant election fraud to stop that other, stronger candidate whose name we don't say.

          • TreadOnMe [none/use name]
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            If you really think that violence won't still be in the streets even with a Biden presidency, I have a bridge to sell you in New York. The matierial conditions surrounding the animating forces of fear, poverty, and policing won't magically vanish with Biden in office. Christ, it's like you pretend Ferguson never happened.

  • anthm17 [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    This isn’t a bread tube civil war, this is Shaun arguing with dumb fuck liberals.

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    Breaking news: openly liberal youtuber is a liberal.

    She also seems to be misgendering a trans person in the comments, yikes.

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        Luna isn't breadtube. She's an ML, and there's plenty of ML channels that have no connection to that community. Hakim's another example.

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          Fair enough, but if we're only counting anarchists as part of Breadtube that only leaves like three people lol

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            Breadtube is a community of youtubers who get on eachother's videos, do high production video essays (often with lots of pop culture critique), and say "capitalism is lame yo" without generally much political content. It's not just every leftist on YouTube, and it trends towards anarchists and SocDems.

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            And definitely not a breadtuber. I know them from back when we were /r/socialism mods together and they wouldn't ever let themselves be lumped in with Lindsay Ellis.

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                I think they banned Hakim, too, or at the very least the userbase there is very hostile to him. Same with BadEmpanada. Nothing worse you can do on there than refute imperial propaganda (though I think BA415 is not very good at doing that tbh).

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                  white leftists don't want to listen to the perspective of a Leninist PoC in a third world country? Say it ain't so!

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                  i think they are just Purging any Marxist that doesnt like getting working with liberals or like dunking on them

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        Luna rules, can't fucking stand Noncompete. He also talks over/for her on the few streams I've seen (couple years ago). That and I hate puppets.

        • Moonrise [comrade/them,they/them]
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          I like puppets fine but EJ really rubs me the wrong way too, especially onscreen with Luna. He has good stuff once in a while though. Luna is so much better. Honestly she should take over his channel.

          • Terminalfilth [they/them]
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            It kinda plays into the kinda smug and condescending tone I get from him. His answer to everything being co-ops while living in Vietnam is off-putting as well.

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      This is PhilosophyTube erasure (maybe). Like, he has moments of libness (Soviet Union? Is bad??) but I feel like his actual criticisms of the USSR are the ones stemming from the left, rather than the right.

      Also he is seriously hot.

      • thelasthoxhaist [he/him]
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        i have stopped watching olly, but i remember in his old videos he was a marxist, but really i dont really like the breadtube label, it puts marxists and anarchists with liberals, these 2 groups have no middle ground, at least :anarchy: and marxists are socialists but libs only care about saving the system

      • Wheaties [she/her]
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        He's been a guest on Trashfuture a few times (one of them was within the last month or so) and in his most recent video he flat out said "I don't like Democrats and I don't like Obama", so I think we can safely say not a lib

  • Peter_jordanson [doe/deer,any]
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    4 years ago

    Am i the only one who finds this hilarious considering Lindsay's sanctimonious tone in her video essay about music from the Aughts not being politically revolutionary ?

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      also, aughts music was revolutionary, she was just like, ignoring it?

      Muse are literal anarchists. Anti-flag pretends to be anarchists. Rage Against the Machine... etc. These aren't obscure bands either.

  • buh [she/her]
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    4 years ago

    What else do you expect from a Disney Adult

  • redterror [he/him]
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    4 years ago

    The worst part of Biden's presidency is that he isn't even another Obama, he's more like Clinton. ffs he literally said he's gonna put John Kasich in his cabinet

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    4 years ago

    Apparently stand Up comedians doing SNL monologues are the biggest existential threat to white women.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]
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      She later tweeted that she was trying to say "picking a side is dumb because you'll alienate people", which only managed to make sure that she alienated everyone on both sides.

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      Woof, She's vaguely misgendering a non-binary person too.

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        yeah what is with calling them John? I don't get that at all. is this John Oliver style throw-in-a-random-name-for-the-fictional-racoon-you're-addressing cringe comedy?

        EDIT: hmm some in those replies are claiming she meant Mulaney but I... hmm maybe I dunno

        EDIT2: okay, it's been fully elucidated for me thank you! sorry

        • p_sharikov [he/him]
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          The tweet Shaun was replying too was about John Mulaney, so I'm guessing that's who John is. I don't really get it though.

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            yeah okay, that makes more sense now that I read more of it

        • KiaKaha [he/him]
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          Read the tweet quoted in the first tweet for context.