You dunk on Lindsey whateverhernameis for tweeting bad things about leftists fomenting violent insurrection, but hopeful Balkanization and US collapse posts are downbeared. Are you just larping? Either the bourgeois state can be ended without violence or it cannot. I'm not here for enlightened centrism, folks.
Ok lib.
You're right. I wish I were a true socialist like you. Go out and set the example by being shot in the stomach to defend a Walmart from Mormons because your county drafted you into a militia, but of course the people you're being shot for don't think you deserve treatment for that bullet without a six figure debt you'll be working off with a colostomy bag. Maybe you'll be one of the drone videos in /r/combatfootage as those drones fall into the hands of the federalists, the military factions, or the paramilitary militias they will hand their weapons to. They certainly won't be handing them out to socialists and whatever your armament- I've got more or less the standard civilian kit minus body armour so those countless weapons and vehicles the paramilitary forces will have would be an upgrade- you'll be facing the most powerful military in history and a population that's North Korea for white people. All for the supremacy of a party that hates you, exactly as the ML party of Syria fell in with the regime to ensure their political minority survival. They're not going to be adding a hammer and sickle to the flag when the dust settles and if collective desperation turned people into MLs then the entire population of Syria would have been forming a greater Rojava. They aren't though. They're split between those who flee, those who try to survive, those who were conscripted by any of the reactionary or local militias, and whose who bomb all of them. Maybe I'm not a principled socialist like you but my lib ass doesn't consider any of those things a path to socialism.
ah yes, well known settler colonial slave state in control of a global empire which regularly bombs much smaller countries to the point they have no multi-floor structures standing and their population has been reduced by one fifth checks notes north korea
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Not the good part of North Korea, the part that worships a strongman and would fanatically die to protect their nationalist ideology. Then again they only put a portrait of Kim in their house so maybe they'd find something like a Trump Train to be an insane degree of zealotry.
literally every country has an unhealthy worship of their political leaders.
go ask a brit about churchill.
the korean love of the kim family is def a hell of a lot better, given the reason for it, than the trump fans loving a president who has caused the unecessary deaths of some quarter million citizens. its like comparing a love of gandhi (problematic) to a love of churchill (wtf)
Sure, uphold Marxism-Monarchism or whatever. That's not what I'm talking about though. I don't know how much KCNA you watch and read on a weekly basis but I generally catch about 3-4 episodes a week for b-roll in my dog's videos and keep current with Rodong Sinmun and Choson Sinbo for the wording of the articles. What I'm describing is the cultural manifestation of that worship. Britons might be Churchill apologists, largely because we're stupid and have the same quality of history education that Americans have, but that doesn't become a reinforcing ideology around the Churchill dynasty or Conservatism-Churchillianism or the tonality of a video in which a Conservative PM visits a farm and everybody cums or a construction project at night randomly has a Conservative Party band playing music about Churchill. That's a very specific Spectacle and an aesthetic that's in a specific state of cultural revolution western politicians don't have.
british monarchy causing orgasms in the background
So you're saying that the British equivalent of a Trump supporter, the cultural equivalent in the sense that Great Britain was sort of like if the confederacy won and controlled the world for centuries, also has the same general aesthetic preferences? The kind which might represent worshipping some sort of strongman and die to protect their nationalist ideology? The kind that drapes themselves in flags in a way that North Koreans would probably find to be an insane degree of zealotry as you've correctly observed?
let me refer you to my previous statement:
idk what you find so difficult to understand about the fact that you had a bad take that isnt an inherently wrong idea about zealotry being bad but was very very poorly presented.
If I'm comparing one of those to another one of those and I choose not to use the British monarchy as an example because I'm guessing socialists are more familiar with North Korea's cultural aesthetic toward its leadership than British monarchists, I'm not saying you're wrong so much as I am that it's an unnecessary criticism. Yeah it's the Modi or the Mao of white people. I don't know what Indian nationalism looks like beyond the occasional picture and Maoist China is the same specific kind of cultural aesthetic but not one you can currently watch. North Korea is one that even the general public knows the aesthetic of.
trump: commiting genocide on the basis of ethnicity.
modi: commiting genocide on the basis of ethnicity.
dprk and china: ????
do you see how these things are not the same?
Am I comparing the culture and imagery of two groups or am I comparing the actions and ethics of them? You yourself used the British monarchy as an example of the same imagery and culture of strongman worship so you're now starting some different debate I didn't say a thing about.
and how often has britain commited genocide on the basis of ethnicity?
what are you not getting here?
the "of white people" pretty obviously brings to mind the way in which trump supporters are proponents of an ethnostate and are currently actively commiting genocide on the basis of ethnicity. again, what are you not getting here?
That's saying that if you look at any Trump rally or train or truck with a bunch of bumper stickers they're white. That's not bringing fascist actions into it or drawing some ethical equivalency between the groups. Sure you can point to the British monarchists or the Canadian Trudeau liberals or the Obama/Clinton/Harris supporters, but the imagery and focuses of that imagery aren't to the same degree .
Shattering the American empire is a good thing, you're just a coward.
You have the same lame worldview as Chomsky at this point.
edit: To be more clear, the nukes are terrifying but all you're arguing for is keeping them locked up behind 1 absurdly powerful office that's being occupied by increasing awful right wing assholes. An office that keeps getting more power centered on it because congress is packed with people who hate the idea of actually doing the job.
And you have the reading comprehension of a libertarian.
I think you quoted the wrong thing, so I really don't know how to respond to that.
its okay, his point wasnt any better in context either.
I quoted my own top-level reply to the person criticising what they think my take on North Korea is. The first sentence of it. The good part of it is what it represents internationally, a challenge to US hegemony, and the part I'm comparing to the culture of Trump followers is the cultural presentation of their attachment to the Kim dynasty and the imagery focus on their nationalist ideology. That's not even saying their nationalism is bad, Fanon represented Algerian nationalism as Malcolm X did black nationalism.
Okay but what does that have to do with me?
Because you're making the same assertion and it's easier to respond to it if I just quote the first sentence of what you replied to.
No I called you a coward, they called out your parroting propaganda against North Korea.
tbf, the first sentence of what you replied to was "youre right" so... it def wouldve been easier if hed just quoted that
You called me a coward when you didn't read that sentence. If you went a whole comment or two below that's not parroting American propaganda, that's watching a lot of KCNA and making cultural comparisons between two culturally comparable groups. Even the principles of Juche could be summed up as "North Korea First" which is a language thing reflecting similar broad goals of building a national project that can survive external enemies. There's no criticism of North Korea in that and if Trump supporters aren't the most extreme contemporary example of western fascist imagery as the North Koreans are socialist imagery then I'm excited to learn who trumps Trump.