• darkcalling [comrade/them, she/her]
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    4 years ago

    Who cares what happens to the fucking Democrat twits.

    Why are you wasting time arguing/obsessing with them that liberals you like more are better than their liberals? They're both still liberals and doomed to prevent real reform.

    With the exception of a handful (literally) of candidates like the red haired lad from Virginia, socialism (in even the most watered down, revisionist forms) is not on the ballot.

    What you're celebrating is liberals who want to somewhat more equitably distribute the stolen loot of empire to the people. There is no structural change with these people. None. The structure is capitalism and they are not proposing fundamentally changing it so much as rebuilding the shoddy social democrat framework atop it again after it was quite resoundingly knocked down and bulldozed over. But they fail to understand the context in which that was allowed. That there is no Soviet Union, no new scary socialist threat that has them panicked, they won and are confident they are still in control. These are not people who want to abolish the exploitative system of capitalism. To change the relationship of the classes to the means of production. Not people who want to put an end to imperialism. And not people who matter because guess what? The excess hyper-profits from imperialism have dried up. There isn't any more that the bourgeoisie can spare like they did in the 50s, they are now in cannibalism mode and will not permit these kinds of concessions short of a wormhole opening up to a mineral rich alien world with an easily subjugated population.

    Truthfully the American people are happy with the status quo. They do want imperialism. They are labor aristocracy, a bourgeois proletariat if you will. They do want to subjugate the world populace to subsidize their lifestyle. They just want to change the terms and percentages a bit in their favor but they have no leverage. To get leverage would require giving up their lifestyles off the backs of others and they are unwilling to do that so will continue fighting amongst themselves until hopefully their evil empire collapses.

    • D61 [any]
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      4 years ago

      Its the ideas like those described in the OP's tweet that pushed me to finding farther and farther left spaces to try to figure out what is going on in the world. So, yeah, no revolutionary change but at least giving people who had no other word to describe themselves besides "liberal" the idea that there is a whole sea of lefty ideas that can better describe their world view. Helps to peel off the disaffected. Hope they find somewhere left to land.

    • opposide [none/use name]
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      4 years ago

      I’m not celebrating liberals who are ok with western social safety nets. What I am saying is that progressivism is direct improvement of the material condition for millions of people. Capitalism is a fuck and electoralism can not fix the root of its problems. Empowering more people and exposing them to both the problem they currently don’t even understand exists while also showing them the obvious solution is how you turn your stagnant leftist status quo and completely reactionary population into a mobilized leftist movement which seeks to end exploitation of the global south and instead liberate the global working class from oppression.

      I know incremental change isn’t real and you can’t vote away the power of the bourgeoisie, but you can utilize what wiggle room electoralism grants you to the advantage of the disadvantaged in the long term. I would love to end electoralism and capitalist exploitation tomorrow, but what few tools are granted to me today would be stupid to not utilize for our own benefit in pursuit of one day dismantling the systems of exploitation that be.